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Old 11-01-2010, 12:43 PM
 
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I'am worried about how this belief system relates to academia.
There have been allegations of purposeful mis-handling of archaelogical finds in the past that would have proved not only is man-kind is very old species but, that man was/has been very technologically advanced in the past.
These finds have been allegedly hidden forever or destroyed.
Why would anyone want to alter history?
There's been another great find, it's located off the coast of Cuba. Divers have located a massive sunken city with astounding architectural construction very un-primitive 8+ story construction.
Wonder how will this find fit into the 6,000 year old earth model?

i.e. of pieces that don't fit the model.
http://www.xpeditionsmagazine.com/ma...on/canyon.html

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Old 11-01-2010, 01:10 PM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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I'am worried about how this belief system relates to academia.
There have been allegations of purposeful mis-handling of archaelogical finds in the past that would have proved not only is man-kind is very old species but, that man was/has been very technologically advanced in the past.
These finds have been allegedly hidden forever or destroyed.
Why would anyone want to alter history?
There's been another great find, it's located off the coast of Cuba. Divers have located a massive sunken city with astounding architectural construction very un-primitive 8+ story construction.
Wonder how will this find fit into the 6,000 year old earth model?
Old news, and nobody has confirmed that this so called sunken city is anything other than natural geologic formations, like many others that have been found..Misleading people into believing it actually is a city what is wrong.
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Old 11-01-2010, 01:16 PM
 
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Old news, and nobody has confirmed that this so called sunken city is anything other than natural geologic formations, like many others that have been found..Misleading people into believing it actually is a city what is wrong.
first off all, old news to whom?
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Old 11-01-2010, 01:24 PM
 
Location: ABQ
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It's difficult to prove many things, especially as concerns many things in solar system, deities, etc, but one thing that's an absolute joke in the face of scientific discovery is the idea that the earth is but 6,000 years.

At the time, Jim Ussher's (who came up with the idea) idea wasn't crazy. But how anyone continues the fecade in the face of a myriad geological findings, archeology, plate tectonics, decay rates, etc - I'm just going to say it: they're either undoubtedly ignorant, close-minded (or both) of science or has a monetary interest ($$$) in the subject at hand. I highly doubt that Ussher, who made his idea known to the world even BEFORE Darwin's scientific observation/study, would still maintain his belief in the 21st century. Presumptuous? Maybe. But Ussher was no idiot. He may be the same Theist he was in the early-mid 17th century, but he wouldn't maintain such a preposterous stance in the face of ever-changing science.

Is it harmful? Absolutely.

You should wish for society to learn as much as they can about any topic and not be so closed-off to reality that they're actually standing as a stalwart in the face of knowledge and learning, regardless of what it is.
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Old 11-01-2010, 01:32 PM
 
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It's difficult to prove many things, especially as concerns many things in solar system, deities, etc, but one thing that's an absolute joke in the face of scientific discovery is the idea that the earth is but 6,000 years.

At the time, Jim Ussher's (who came up with the idea) idea wasn't crazy. But how anyone continues the fecade in the face of a myriad geological findings, archeology, plate tectonics, decay rates, etc - I'm just going to say it: they're either undoubtedly ignorant, close-minded (or both) of science or has a monetary interest ($$$) in the subject at hand. I highly doubt that Ussher, who made his idea known to the world even BEFORE Darwin's scientific observation/study, would still maintain his belief in the 21st century. Presumptuous? Maybe. But Ussher was no idiot. He may be the same Theist he was in the early-mid 17th century, but he wouldn't maintain such a preposterous stance in the face of ever-changing science.

Is it harmful? Absolutely.

You should wish for society to learn as much as they can about any topic and not be so closed-off to reality that they're actually standing as a stalwart in the face of knowledge and learning, regardless of what it is.
Yeah!!!
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Old 11-01-2010, 02:03 PM
 
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Yes, as these seriously misguided people want this utter nonsense taught as an alternative to fact. Living is a fantasy world, well that is a personal choice, but many of the YEC crowd propose that their fantasy be taught as fact to everyone's child. Fantasy or superstition has no place as a substitute for science fact in the education or the real world. Yet just this year these purveyors of fantasy have succeed in forcing their view into classrooms in Texas, in addition to re-writing history books because a prominent American happened to be Atheist, so the importance of his position in history has been muted by these fools.
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Old 11-01-2010, 02:11 PM
 
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first off all, old news to whom?
Old news to me. National Geographic did a story on this so called underwater city in 2002, and absolutely nothing new has been learned about it since. Why do you suppose that is?
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Old 11-01-2010, 02:54 PM
 
Location: Cushing OK
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Yes, as these seriously misguided people want this utter nonsense taught as an alternative to fact. Living is a fantasy world, well that is a personal choice, but many of the YEC crowd propose that their fantasy be taught as fact to everyone's child. Fantasy or superstition has no place as a substitute for science fact in the education or the real world. Yet just this year these purveyors of fantasy have succeed in forcing their view into classrooms in Texas, in addition to re-writing history books because a prominent American happened to be Atheist, so the importance of his position in history has been muted by these fools.
This reminds me of the "ancient aliens" who must have helped the Egyptians build the pyramids because how else did puny humans without computers figure it out? This has long been insuliting to archology because what we find is that many peoples who were "primitive" knew much more than survived. All we see is the remnants of the technology they used. Thoustands of years from now how much of ours do you expect to be comprehensible?

The Texas thing with textbooks is deplorable. I think that maybe one of the reasons I never got into the "in the box thinking" trap was that I found text books boring and discovered the library instead. If it was interesting it was a good enough reason to go see what other people knew. I've never been tied to any one label on ideas but have sampled many. We seem intent on turning kids into robots with preprogrammed thinking and all the right triggers to control in place. But there will always be those like me for whom the book is not good enough and need to see the wider world. Sadly there are fewer of us now.

I write stories, mostly star trek fanfiction since I like to play in its universe, but the fun is I change the rules, play what ifs, take from real references just what it would be for the people who lost if the Dominion war was lost by our guys... still basically serious stuff. But if I'd been programmed at a young age to see these ideas and only them I wouldn't be speculating.

Best thing anyone can do for your kids is teach them to read, and give them the world to read from, everyones pov, so when the Alternate Universe comes to us they can see beyond the walls.
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Old 11-01-2010, 03:59 PM
 
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Do you think its harmful if a young earth creationist such as Sarah Palin were to be the president of the United States?
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Old 11-01-2010, 04:12 PM
 
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Do you think its harmful if a young earth creationist such as Sarah Palin were to be the president of the United States?
It's disappointing, but I highly doubt that it would come up much or have much effect. How much do we hear about the possible scientific shortcomings of Barrack Obama? Does a supposed liberal Christian mean that schools in America are stressing science more, less, or the same? Last I checked, it was most generally a states issue. See: The state of Texas for good examples of how people ruin the schools with biased and anti-scientific textbooks.
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