Science has much better answers than "God did it" (Creator, evolutionary)

[GldnRule]

Originally Posted by AREQUIPA

I'm afraid we are already veering off a rational discussion. Like a blind person claiming there is no such thing as sight - except (to make the analogy tight as it ought to be in trying to prove a point rather than just illustrating a point) that I would be a like a blind person who (as blind persons do) accept that most people do have the faculty of sight. I can't hypnotize but I accept that it can be done.

I am getting nothing from God but the evidence is not persuasive that there is any God to get anything from. The evidence is that those who are in touch with 'god' are getting something going on in their own heads.

You are not like (to hammer the analogy home) a seeing person explaining sight to a blind person, but a pole vaulter telling someone who cannot pole vault that they get over because God is doing it for them. There are other more likely explanations.

There is no evidence that such is the case. The god - experience whatever it is seems to be what is going on in the head and it is far from demonstrated that it is to do with anything outside at all and I'm afraid that for those who are convinced that it is, there are others who used to think so who have come to realise that it isn't.

"I thought for so long that I was talking to God, but then I realised that I was just talking to myself".

It's YOU that's veering off.
You are the blind person insisting that the vision abilities of all the others that comprise the vast majority of the world's population, including most of all the people that have EVER lived, are wrong about their having sense of sight. That, "it's just something going on in their head", and they just "believe" they can see. All because, you lack the ability to see yourself.

It's not a matter of the Theists having "something going on in their head"...It's some of the Atheists that lack something going on in theirs. That causes jealousy/envy, or whatever...that then manifests itself in the mocking and insults...out of frustration.

Look, the Atheists are just less evolved human creatures than the Theists...with inferior sensory abilities. You need to get hip to that.
I DO understand their frustration...and also fully realize that in no way does it make them "bad" people.

[Campbell34]

Originally Posted by sanspeur

Whoa!...Do you actually believe all the crap on those sites? Amazing!

No more then I believe all the crap on those sites pushing evolution. Some of it is valid some of it is not.

[TKramar]

Originally Posted by Mercury Cougar

How dense are you? Bees are not fixed-wing aircraft! You CANNOT use the same mathematical calculations on bees as you do on airplanes! Their wings beat. Their wings move independently of each other. How hard is this to understand? Read the freakin' articles that have been posted. Please learn something and stop being deliberately uneducated.

If that would actually help, why would man create fixed wing aircraft? Why would he not make aircraft with movable wings?

[Boxcar Overkill]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L17Ox...eature=related

We not only know about bumblebee flight, we are doing a pretty good job of recreating it.

[Mercury Cougar]

Originally Posted by GldnRule

It's YOU that's veering off.
You are the blind person insisting that the vision abilities of all the others that comprise the vast majority of the world's population, including most of all the people that have EVER lived, are wrong about their having sense of sight. That, "it's just something going on in their head", and they just "believe" they can see. All because, you lack the ability to see yourself.

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Ah, how cute, and how predictable. Do you believe in the power of voodoo and witchcraft? Do you believe in vampires and zombies and werewolves too? Do you believe that there are people who can levitate themselves in the air, simply by thinking it? Do you believe in remote viewing? Telepathy, teleportation, telekinesis? Where do you draw the line between reality and fantasy?

[Mercury Cougar]

Originally Posted by TKramar

If that would actually help, why would man create fixed wing aircraft? Why would he not make aircraft with movable wings?

Go learn why for yourself! The answers are easy to find, geeze (Hint: it has to do with efficiency). There's these wonderful newfangled things called "the internet" and "internet search engines". Try them. Learn something.

• Ask.com (known as Ask Jeeves in the UK)
• Baidu (Chinese, Japanese)
• Bing (formerly MSN Search and Live Search)
• Blekko
• Duck Duck Go
• Google
• Kosmix
• Sogou (Chinese)
• Yodao (Chinese)
• Yahoo
• Yandex (Russian)
• Yeb

[DASULAR17]

Hey that book is a best seller!!! God is a great manager and knew how to deligate so he had
those "bad men" "man" to "not write" scripture as agnostic state but inspired His band of transcript-
tionists (secretaries) to write "exactly" what is needed to "get the word out" to all of us stupid,
self centered, sinning ,jackwagon ,who use junior college level philosphic nonesense to prove He is
less than He claims to be. A ship of fools attempting to use the science He endorsed albeit created
to somehow separate the two when it's all ONE! God rolls sort of weird He is a God of Fire and of
real love but the fire side will fry your dumb butt if you delve into His kingdom too disrespectfully.

[Mercury Cougar]

Originally Posted by DASULAR17

Hey that book is a best seller!!! God is a great manager and knew how to deligate so he had
those "bad men" "man" to "not write" scripture as agnostic state but inspired His band of transcript-
tionists (secretaries) to write "exactly" what is needed to "get the word out" to all of us stupid,
self centered, sinning ,jackwagon ,who use junior college level philosphic nonesense to prove He is
less than He claims to be. A ship of fools attempting to use the science He endorsed albeit created
to somehow separate the two when it's all ONE! God rolls sort of weird He is a God of Fire and of
real love but the fire side will fry your dumb butt if you delve into His kingdom too disrespectfully.

God loves you, and he's gonna burn you forever. Sorry, I'll stick with the things that are real.

[Gaylenwoof]

Originally Posted by TKramar

If a man built a plane with the same wing profile, and the same mass (only built to a larger scale), it wouldn't fly.

BTW, you cannot simply scale up. The principles of physics just don't work that way. A 500 pound bumble bee could not fly, even if it were exactly proportional to a regular bumble bee.

[AREQUIPA]

Originally Posted by GldnRule

It's YOU that's veering off.
You are the blind person insisting that the vision abilities of all the others that comprise the vast majority of the world's population, including most of all the people that have EVER lived, are wrong about their having sense of sight. That, "it's just something going on in their head", and they just "believe" they can see. All because, you lack the ability to see yourself.

It's not a matter of the Theists having "something going on in their head"...It's some of the Atheists that lack something going on in theirs. That causes jealousy/envy, or whatever...that then manifests itself in the mocking and insults...out of frustration.

Look, the Atheists are just less evolved human creatures than the Theists...with inferior sensory abilities. You need to get hip to that.
I DO understand their frustration...and also fully realize that in no way does it make them "bad" people.

If you think I envy those who get a bit of mental elevation and think they are talking to God you are much mistaken. I think that's about all the reponse the above effort deserves.