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Old 12-22-2010, 02:09 PM
 
Location: Bradenton, Florida
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Belief in non-belief? So by believing that I do not believe in any god(s), that makes atheism a religion?

How is it a framework for how I live my life? The only thing I can think of that all atheists have in common is that we don't spend any time in religious institutions/participating in religious activities.

Finally, very rarely do you see an atheist bluntly say "there is no god(s)". The usual position is that, while it is certainly possible that one or more gods may exist, we haven't seen anything to make us believe that is the case.
Not the ones I've encountered. The ones I've encountered are adamant about it--not even open to the possibility. They would prefer to think any "proof" was a trick or a form of insanity.

I've answered your first response already, in a recent post.
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Old 12-22-2010, 02:10 PM
 
Location: Bradenton, Florida
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So according to you we all have many religions...Aunicornism, aleprechanism, etc, etc...People that say non belief is a belief crack me up...
whether you believe there is a God, or you believe there is no God,


you still have a belief of some kind.
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Old 12-22-2010, 03:03 PM
 
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If you understand how one species of sheep becomes another species of sheep, then you'll also understand what would cause a species of sheep to become a species wolf, (using your example.)
Erm...no not really. Species don't evolve into other existing species, they evolve into entirely new species. So a sheep could evolve in to shleep, but never into a wolf.

Is your understanding of religion and prophecy as poor as your understanding of science and evolution? How could you ever be expected to make a good decision about them?
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Old 12-22-2010, 04:20 PM
 
Location: OKC
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Erm...no not really. Species don't evolve into other existing species, they evolve into entirely new species. So a sheep could evolve in to shleep, but never into a wolf.

Is your understanding of religion and prophecy as poor as your understanding of science and evolution? How could you ever be expected to make a good decision about them?
Surely you are bright enough to see I was continuing on the previous posters metaphor.
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Old 12-22-2010, 05:06 PM
 
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Oh you poor thing. Just put your head back underneath the covers, everything is gonna be okay. This science stuff is hard, and it may hurt 'yer old puzzler to think about it. Why don't you just make yourself a nice cup of coco and let us handle this?
He's either a POE, a troll, or a completely uneducated ignoramus. Not worth response in any case.
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Old 12-22-2010, 05:56 PM
 
Location: 30-40°N 90-100°W
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Theism is mostly popular in the prison and uneducated crowds.

At the Academy of Sciences, there's very few religious types running around.
You are aware there are educated people outside the Academy of Sciences, right? According to the General Social Survey and Gallup people with postgraduate degrees attend religious service at average or above average rates.

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Americans' Church Attendance Inches Up in 2010

GSS says that they pray less and believe in the afterlife life less, but it's not like either was low. (Afterlife belief 77%, praying once a day or more 50.3%)

According to Pew Research Center (again it's named for a guy, not the religious term "Pew") two Christian groups are better educated than the Unaffiliated: Eastern Orthodoxy and Mainline Protestantism.

Comparative Religions - U.S. Religious Landscape Study - Pew Forum on Religion & Public Life

Using the study touted on prison Mormons and Bahai are nearly as underrepresented in prisons as atheists. Possibly moreso in the case of the Bahai.
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Old 12-22-2010, 06:31 PM
 
Location: Nuevo México
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How is atheism like a religion?

The Evolution of Species is one of the holy scriptures.

Scientists (especially the atheist ones) are the saints; the "unholy Trinity" of Harris/Dawkins/Hitchens (all white males) is worshipped.

The "Darwin" sticker (fish with feet) is its holy symbol.

They believe they alone possess "the truth" (actually that one is not so much like religion)

How is it not like a religion?

You need to have evolved into homo erectus to be religious; to be atheist you only need to be a Chihuahua or an orangutan. Humanity is not required. Nor is education.
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Old 12-22-2010, 06:36 PM
 
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You are aware there are educated people outside the Academy of Sciences, right? According to the General Social Survey and Gallup people with postgraduate degrees attend religious service at average or above average rates.

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Americans' Church Attendance Inches Up in 2010

GSS says that they pray less and believe in the afterlife life less, but it's not like either was low. (Afterlife belief 77%, praying once a day or more 50.3%)

According to Pew Research Center (again it's named for a guy, not the religious term "Pew") two Christian groups are better educated than the Unaffiliated: Eastern Orthodoxy and Mainline Protestantism.

Comparative Religions - U.S. Religious Landscape Study - Pew Forum on Religion & Public Life

Using the study touted on prison Mormons and Bahai are nearly as underrepresented in prisons as atheists. Possibly moreso in the case of the Bahai.
That (bold ^ above) would require common sense, wisdom, and a perception of how the Real World is.
And that's not very popular among the Fundie Atheist types running around here.
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Old 12-22-2010, 09:47 PM
 
Location: OKC
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You are aware there are educated people outside the Academy of Sciences, right? According to the General Social Survey and Gallup people with postgraduate degrees attend religious service at average or above average rates.

Quick Tables
Americans' Church Attendance Inches Up in 2010

GSS says that they pray less and believe in the afterlife life less, but it's not like either was low. (Afterlife belief 77%, praying once a day or more 50.3%)

According to Pew Research Center (again it's named for a guy, not the religious term "Pew") two Christian groups are better educated than the Unaffiliated: Eastern Orthodoxy and Mainline Protestantism.

Comparative Religions - U.S. Religious Landscape Study - Pew Forum on Religion & Public Life

Using the study touted on prison Mormons and Bahai are nearly as underrepresented in prisons as atheists. Possibly moreso in the case of the Bahai.
I looked at the first link and it demonstrated that there was a positive relationship between education and atheism. The more educated a person was, the more likely they were to be atheist.

But you already know this, as it's been brought out many times before by many different studies. I don't know if I'm awake enough to argue about it again tonight.
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Old 12-22-2010, 09:50 PM
 
Location: OKC
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That (bold ^ above) would require common sense, wisdom, and a perception of how the Real World is.
And that's not very popular among the Fundie Atheist types running around here.
You still mad?
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