Shroud Of Tourin (grace, hell, church, Jerusalem)

[AAA2125]

An amazingly detailed picture of a bearded man who had been beaten about the body, crowned with thorns & pierced with nails through the wrists & the feet," is how Newsweek magazine described the Shroud of Turin. For centuries, this unique burial cloth has generated intense controversy. Many scholars, historians, scientists and theologians have been convinced that it is the cloth in which Jesus Christ was wrapped after his crucifixion, and that by some unknown process his image was transferred onto it.

In 1889, something extraordinary happened. Technical progress had made it possible for the first photograph of the the Shroud to be taken. As the photographer, Secundo Pia, examined his first glass-plate negative, he almost dropped it in shocked excitement. What he saw was not an unrealistic and confusing photographic negative, but a clear positive image. Highlights and shadows were reversed from those on the cloth, & were far more lifelike & realistic, & the positive image of a man's face was clearly visible. Pia's sensational photograph showed that the actual image on the Shroud was a negative image!
How could a negative image be produced on a piece of cloth centuries before the invention of photography? Scores of specialists from all over the world began to earnestly study the mysterious Shroud. Attempts made by skilled painters showed that no artist was able, even when using a model, to convert a human face by the process of the mind into a negative image, & paint it. Leo Vala, a noted photographic expert who pioneered the development of 3-D-photography, recently told Amateur Photographic magazine,
"I can tell you that NO ONE could have faked that image. NO ONE could do it today, even with all the technology we have."
The educational magazine, National Geographic, reports that the face on the Shroud, hauntingly serene in death, would grace a masterpiece of art. The body, anatomically correct, bears the frightful marks of scourging, crucifixion, & piercing--perhaps by thorns & lance. It would appear to be a portrait, uncannily accurate when matched against the Gospel accounts, of Jesus of Nazareth. Indeed, many believe that this stretch of ivory-coloured linen is the very cloth that Joseph of Arimathea placed under and over the body of Jesus in the rock-cut tomb of Golgotha nearly 2.000 years ago. (See Mark 15:46).

In 1978, the Shroud of Turin Research Project (STURP) came into being. Scores of the World's top scientists, pathologists, textile experts, chemists, physicists & photographic specialists obtained permission to spend five days thoroughly examining the mysterious cloth in Turin, Italy.
National Geographic reported, "Perhaps never before had an object of art or archeology been subjected to such exhaustive examination. The scientists bombarded the relic with ultraviolet radiation, X-rays, and examined it microscopically & took photo micrographs. With sticky tape & a vacuum device, bits of dust, pollen & other particles were captured for analysis." Their conclusions were startling.

"I was convinced it was a forgery"
confesses Dr, John Heller of Yale medical school, the blood expert of the team. Today he admits,

"NO QUESTION IN MY MIND! There was a scourged, crucified man in the Shroud."

STURP team member, Dr. Robert Bucklin, chief pathologist of the Los Angeles city morgue, states:

"If I were asked in a court of law to stake my professional reputation on the validity of the shroud of Turin, I would answer very positively & firmly that it is the burialcloth of Christ. It's Jesus Whose figure appears on the Shroud. It is not a matter of faith to me, it's just a matter of common sense. Knowing what we know, who else could this have happened to?"

One of the World's top investigative dentists, Dr. Max Frei of the University of Zurich, a specialist in tracing where a fabric has been, through microscopic pollen analysis, declares:

"My tests have convinced me that this Shroud is IN FACT the cloth in which CHRIST'S BODY was wrapped. I have isolated from the Shroud more than a dozen pollen grains from plants that grow only around Jerusalem & its deserts."



There is so much more proof found by scientists that this Shroud is indeed authentic . . . but it would take pages.

Every year we are discovering that Science and Scientists have been wrong about so many things . . .

[lifesigns64]

The Shourd of Tourin has always amazed me as well.

Newsweek, National Georgraphic and other magazines are continuing to come out with articles about research being done to authenticate the Shroud and so many other evidences that the Bible is true.

In 1988 some scientists study the Shroud again and said it was a fake, only to be disproven once again. Thanks for sharing this!

[Jazzedforhim]

It's interesting no doubt about that!

[sun]

There's just too much new & fascinating objective information listed on this website to not seriously consider the Shroud of Turin to be the actual burial cloth of Jesus. Absolutely nothing has disproved the possibility.

http://www.shroudstory.com/Gallery/face.jpg (broken link)


No One Can Explain Shroud of Turin Pictures of Jesus

New Peer-Reviewed Facts in 2006 Makes Shroud of Turin More Mysterious

Shroud of Turin Story Guide to the Facts 2007

New Analysis Confirms Second Face on Shroud of Turin and Raises Questions About Other Images

Shroud of Turin Story - A Guide to the Facts 2005 (http://www.shroudstory.com/enhanced.htm - broken link)

Does the ancient Spanish Mozarabic Rite suggest anything about the Shroud of Turin (http://www.shroudstory.com/faq-mozarabic.htm - broken link)

Second face discovered on the Shroud of Turin (http://www.shroudstory.com/faq-second-image.htm - broken link)

Plus much more...

[pladecalvo]

Oh this really has been done to death hasn't it but you still ignore the one main thing about this shroud:

Even if you could prove that came from the first century (which you can't).
Even if you could prove that it originated in Palastine (which you can't).
Even if you could prove that it really was blood on the cloth (which you can't)
Even if you could prove that it was a genuine image of a man (which you can't).....it would only prove that it was the burial shroud of someone that was crucified during the 1st century.

.......it still doesn't prove that it is the burial shroud of your JC. Crucifixion was the common for of execution during the time of the Roman occupation. THOUSANDS of people were crucified in this manner. There are, in fact, 40 "true" shrouds of JC in existence at this present time!!

I suggest you read this. It comes from your own side.

Problems with Authenticity

Based on the historical evidence I have read, and based on the New Testament record, it is my conviction that the Shroud of Turin is not the burial cloth of Jesus Christ. Rather it is of human fabrication (or perhaps even demonic fabrication) originally designed as a relic for personal profit by the exploitation of others.

For a more detailed study of this, I would suggest the book, Answers to Tough Questions, by Josh McDowell and Don Stewart, published by Here’s Life Publishers.

Let me summarize and give you some of the obvious reasons why I believe the Shroud of Turin is not authentic. bible.org: The Shroud of Turin and the Resurrection of Christ

[pladecalvo]

Originally Posted by AAA2125

There is so much more proof found by scientists that this Shroud is indeed authentic . . .

....and there even more proof found by scientists that it is a fake.

Let me ask you this. If the shroud is what the Vatican says it is, why don't they release it for evaluation? Surely they would be only to pleased to have it authenticated.......it would, after all, prove once and for all that their JC existed. The one and only time they did release it for scientific analysis, it was declared, by three different labs, in different parts of the world, to have originated from the 15th century....a time when "fake religious icons" where manufactured in abundance. For the past 20 years or so, the Vatican has point blank refused any further analysis of the shroud. Now what are they trying to hide here??

[MontanaGuy]

Three separate labs did the carbon dating tests a few years back and they all agreed that it was from the middle ages which happens to coincide with it's first documented appearance in history. Even people living at that time believed it was a fake for the most part. Making religious artifacts was a thriving industry in those days. I've also seen a documentary in which others have created a similar image using simple techniques. The evidence is overwhelming that it's a fake, a very good fake, but a fake nonetheless.

[BudinAk]

A couple of observations: The radio-carbon test was INVALID, because the piece of fabric they were allowed to do the test on was a repair patch woven into the shroud in the 1500's....scientists have shown that this piece had/has COTTEN in it, which the original shroud obviously does not. Radio-carbon dating is accurate, but the test piece has got to be from the ORIGINAL....not something that came along later! Obviously, a retest needs to be done. Maybe we should all write letters to the Vatican requesting such....?
Where is the evidence that "40 other cloths" exist, or ever existed? I did a Google search for upwards of an hour, and came up with NOTHING, except hearsay. No links to provide us with pictures, locations, analysis, etc, of any other cloths. I couldn't find a link to even ONE of them! We know where the shroud of Turin is, but where are the others?
Maybe the Shroud is authentic, or maybe it is not, but let's try to keep an open mind about it until we get more solid facts...

Bud

[pladecalvo]

Originally Posted by AAA2125

One of the World's top investigative dentists, Dr. Max Frei of the University of Zurich, a specialist in tracing where a fabric has been, through microscopic pollen analysis, declares:

"My tests have convinced me that this Shroud is IN FACT the cloth in which CHRIST'S BODY was wrapped. I have isolated from the Shroud more than a dozen pollen grains from plants that grow only around Jerusalem & its deserts."

(GASP!) Not Dr Max Frei...the infamous forger and part-time Criminologist?? :

Pollens on the 'shroud': a study in deception. (Shroud of Turin)
Pollens on the 'shroud': a study in deception. (Shroud (http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1G1-16139312.html - broken link)

[pladecalvo]

Originally Posted by BudinAk

A couple of observations: The radio-carbon test was INVALID, because the piece of fabric they were allowed to do the test on was a repair patch woven into the shroud in the 1500's....scientists have shown that this piece had/has COTTEN in it, which the original shroud obviously does not. Radio-carbon dating is accurate, but the test piece has got to be from the ORIGINAL....not something that came along later! Obviously, a retest needs to be done. Maybe we should all write letters to the Vatican requesting such....?
Where is the evidence that "40 other cloths" exist, or ever existed? I did a Google search for upwards of an hour, and came up with NOTHING, except hearsay. No links to provide us with pictures, locations, analysis, etc, of any other cloths. I couldn't find a link to even ONE of them! We know where the shroud of Turin is, but where are the others?
Maybe the Shroud is authentic, or maybe it is not, but let's try to keep an open mind about it until we get more solid facts...

Bud

The first documented evidence of the Shroud dates back to 1357, when it surfaced at a church at Lirey, near the eastern French town of Troyes. In 1390, Pope Clement VII declared that it was not the true shroud but could be used as a representation of it, provided the faithful be told that it was not genuine.

Full article:
Turin Shroud confirmed as a fake