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Old 01-04-2011, 05:59 PM
 
Location: Toronto, ON
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Reaching the age of Reason can have the right of passage with with a faithful attitude to God's existence no matter what even for the atheist child??
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Old 01-04-2011, 06:47 PM
 
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You will never get satisfactory answers to the equivalent of 3 dimensional questions "Everything from nothing"by using 2 dimensional thinking, we just arent in the ball game yet..
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Old 01-04-2011, 07:46 PM
 
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But he didn't wait millions of years, now did he?
well the world has been here millions of years ,no sign of any self makin boats
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Old 01-04-2011, 07:52 PM
 
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and the amount of thought and design that would have to go into making anything thats going to function even a simple tool,now understand the complicated life forms,even the smallest,theres no such thing a simple living entity,what a design,so what if it took millions of years to get to where we are now,thats just a blink in eternity,a day of Brahma is billions of earth years,and He exists not in the spiritual realm but the physical
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Old 01-04-2011, 07:57 PM
 
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Thanks for your thread

I remember a debate between a muslim and aithiests which happened long time ago.I read the story in one of the old books.The Muslim was late for the meeting with the aithiests for the debate.His name I think was abu Hanifa.Any way he had to cross the river to meet with them for the debate;however,he was late for two hours.They thought he wouldn't show up.But he came after awhile.When he came they asked him,why were u late.He said "I missed the boat so i was waiting for a while so that the boat can come together by itself so I can get on it and come.The Aithiests said"how can a boat come together by itself.The muslim said,"so u agree that the boat can't come and be a boat by itself?They said yes.He said same thing for this life there has to be a creator.
i think it was Newton himself,the great scientist who used a similar ananlogy,he was holding a model version of the solar system,and when he brought it to his student,the student said''wow what a great model,who made it'',Newton said,''oh ,no one,it just came into existence'',''thats immpossible'' said the student,Newton replied,''yet you think that our own universe which is much more advanced came from nothing''........somethin like that anyway
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Old 01-04-2011, 08:10 PM
 
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i think it was Newton himself,the great scientist who used a similar ananlogy,he was holding a model version of the solar system,and when he brought it to his student,the student said''wow what a great model,who made it'',Newton said,''oh ,no one,it just came into existence'',''thats immpossible'' said the student,Newton replied,''yet you think that our own universe which is much more advanced came from nothing''........somethin like that anyway
Ah, yes, nothing like quoting someone on a topic -- quantum physics -- which wasn't developed for two centuries after said someone died.

Makes about as much sense as quoting Benjamin Franklin on the topic of nuclear fusion...

If you want to quote a physicist on the topic of "where did it all come from?" then why not select a 21st-century physicist, like Hawking? I mean, aside from the fact that you'd rather stick with the speculation of someone who was wallowing in the relative ignorance of the 18th century? And the fact that you really want nothing to do with what Hawking has to say?

Stephen Hawking says universe not created by God | Science | The Guardian
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Old 01-04-2011, 08:37 PM
 
Location: OKC
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well the world has been here millions of years ,no sign of any self makin boats
So who made God?
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Old 01-04-2011, 08:44 PM
 
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Ah, yes, nothing like quoting someone on a topic -- quantum physics -- which wasn't developed for two centuries after said someone died.

Makes about as much sense as quoting Benjamin Franklin on the topic of nuclear fusion...

If you want to quote a physicist on the topic of "where did it all come from?" then why not select a 21st-century physicist, like Hawking? I mean, aside from the fact that you'd rather stick with the speculation of someone who was wallowing in the relative ignorance of the 18th century? And the fact that you really want nothing to do with what Hawking has to say?

Stephen Hawking says universe not created by God | Science | The Guardian
like i said pal in the OP,watched the program and the first thing that was said was,''once you can accept that something can come from nothing',now why should i accept that eh?
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Old 01-04-2011, 08:45 PM
 
Location: OKC
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like i said pal in the OP,watched the program and the first thing that was said was,''once you can accept that something can come from nothing',now why should i accept that eh?
So I repeat, where did God come from?
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Old 01-04-2011, 08:49 PM
 
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So who made God?
thats the difference,ya see your temporary mind and body cant fathom eternity,something that always was and always will be,its inconceivable so theres no point in tryin to explain,the only thing i can say is that he always was,but so are we in some shape or form.
were all eternal,Krishna sais in the Gita''never was there a time when i did not exist,nor you nor any of these kings,nor in the future shall we ever cease to be''
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