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Old 01-04-2011, 08:05 PM
 
Location: Log home in the Appalachians
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I get so sick and tired of reading posts and threads from evangelicals or fundamentalist Christians claiming that the United States of America was founded on Christian principles when if they would take the time to educate themselves they wouldn't make such broad statements:

from the Declaration of Independence.

When in the course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impelled them to the separation.

The Declaration of Independence2


And the preamble of the Constitution of the United States of America.

We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, establish Justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution of the United States of America.

U.S. CONSTITUTION,

Bill of Rights and Later Amendments


Now I have offered links here for anyone who wishes to read these historic documents and educate yourself before making such broad statements, you will notice that there is no mention of Christianity or any Christian God of any kind in any of these documents.

So in conclusion, this country was not founded on any Christian principles.
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Old 01-04-2011, 08:10 PM
 
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Judeo-Christian beliefs.

Of course there is no mention of religion in those original documents.

The founders wanted to form a nation with freedom of religion, no state sponsored religion.

God is not a religion.

Our laws are based on Judeo-Chgristian law.
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Old 01-04-2011, 08:14 PM
 
Location: OKC
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Our laws are based on Judeo-Chgristian law.
No they are not.

The Constitution is a very practical document that describes the 3 branches of Government and the relationship between the states and the federal government. Outside of one clause of one amendment, there is nothing religious about our constitution.

The rest of our laws were written by lobbyist.
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Old 01-04-2011, 08:16 PM
 
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No they are not.

The Constitution is a very practical document that describes the 3 branches of Government and the relationship between the states and the federal government. Outside of one clause of one amendment, there is nothing religious about our constitution.

The rest of our laws were written by lobbyist.
Read my post again.
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Old 01-04-2011, 08:18 PM
 
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Judeo-Christian beliefs.

Of course there is no mention of religion in those original documents.

The founders wanted to form a nation with freedom of religion, no state sponsored religion.

God is not a religion.

Our laws are based on Judeo-Chgristian law.
Did you even bother to read or look at the documents that were presented in those links, if you had you wouldn't be making such statements. Go back and educate yourself and read the documents first. Our laws are not, not based on Judeo Christian law.
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Old 01-04-2011, 08:19 PM
 
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this nation was founded by the master architects of course; who may or may not have been per se religious.
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Old 01-04-2011, 08:21 PM
 
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Read my post again.
The part I disagreed with is your belief that our laws are based on Judeo-Christian laws.

But maybe I misunderstand your meaning. What do you mean "Our laws are based on Judeo-Chgristian law?" Which title are you referring to?
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Old 01-04-2011, 08:31 PM
 
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Did you even bother to read or look at the documents that were presented in those links, if you had you wouldn't be making such statements. Go back and educate yourself and read the documents first. Our laws are not, not based on Judeo Christian law.
I know history.

These documents were fought and argued over before the final drafts.

The men who wrote them did so based on Judeo-Christian law.

The great men knew better than to include religion in those documents.

Other than the mention of Natures God and endowed by their Creator.

Again, what religion is God?
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Old 01-04-2011, 08:36 PM
 
Location: Toronto, ON
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The part I disagreed with is your belief that our laws are based on Judeo-Christian laws.

But maybe I misunderstand your meaning. What do you mean "Our laws are based on Judeo-Chgristian law?" Which title are you referring to?
The titles fork in two sorts; often censored from the internet. THere were the original civilization authors of concerned about the Occident (hey, there is Henry Fowles, and Chomsky, or something like that, yaah, Toynbee); and then there are the Gnostic types, with the mythological religious doubts.
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Old 01-04-2011, 08:37 PM
 
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I know history.

These documents were fought and argued over before the final drafts.

The men who wrote them did so based on Judeo-Christian law.

The great men knew better than to include religion in those documents.

Other than the mention of Natures God and endowed by their Creator.

Again, what religion is God?
You say you know history, yet have you read these documents, were you there personally when they were arguing over what to put into these documents and what makes you think that any of those laws are Judeo-Christian laws, unless you were there and participated in the arguments and debates about these documents, you, and no one else living today, have no idea what went on in the minds of the men who wrote these documents. God is not a religion, God is a belief.
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