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I'm with Eusebius up to a point. I don't think we give the ancients enough credit for their accomplishments sometimes and as a result blanket all of them as primitive idiots who couldn't tell their rear from their nose. We tend to sometimes think that anything beyond the age of the Greeks was "primitive."
That being said, does this mean the bible writers had a clue? Here and there they may have, probably picking up some knowledge from more advanced and complex civilizations they came in contact with (Egyptians, Babylonians, Persians, Greeks, Romans) but based on some of things we read in the bible, they seemed like primitive goat herders for the most part. I certainly do not attribute their "bump in the dark" knowledge to a given inspiration by some divine mind.
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The German research group published their initial findings in 1992. [11] Balabanova, an experienced forensic chemist, used radioimmunoassay and gas chromatography/mass spectrometry (GC/MS) to identify and confirm the presence of cocaine, nicotine and hashish in Egyptian mummies. The remains used in this study included 7 mummified heads (all adults, 2 females, 5 males), 1 single complete adult female and 1 incomplete adult male. All the mummies tested were from the Egyptian Museum, Munich and they had been dated to a period spanning 1070BC – 395AD. Cocaine and hashish were also found in all 9 samples and nicotine was present in all but one of the samples tested.
In February 1993 the group published a second, more comprehensive, paper on their findings in The Lancet [12]. This included their analysis of 72 Peruvian (200 - 1500AD) and 11 Egyptian (1070BC – 395AD) mummies and also skeletal tissue from the Sudan (2 individuals, 5000 - 4000BC and 400 - 1400AD) and South Germany (10 individuals, 2500BC).
Their data (Table 1) showed that cocaine, nicotine and hashish could be identified in samples obtained from some, but not all, of the Peruvian and Egyptian mummies that were tested. They also identified nicotine in the bones of both individuals from the Sudan and in 8 out of 10 of the individuals from the German "Bell" culture. The levels of cocaine discovered in the hair of Peruvian mummies were found to be similar to the levels found in modern day German drug addicts and this would indicate that the degradation of the drug does not occur significantly over time. The Egyptian mummies were found to have approximately 75 times less cocaine than the maximal amounts identified in modern day German drug addicts.
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I'm with Eusebius up to a point. I don't think we give the ancients enough credit for their accomplishments sometimes and as a result blanket all of them as primitive idiots who couldn't tell their rear from their nose. We tend to sometimes think that anything beyond the age of the Greeks was "primitive."
That being said, does this mean the bible writers had a clue? Here and there they may have, probably picking up some knowledge from more advanced and complex civilizations they came in contact with (Egyptians, Babylonians, Persians, Greeks, Romans) but based on some of things we read in the bible, they seemed like primitive goat herders for the most part. I certainly do not attribute their "bump in the dark" knowledge to a given inspiration by some divine mind.
I would love to see modern machinery move this baby:
http://www.ancient-wisdom.co.uk/Images/countries/israeli%20pics/westernstone.jpg (broken link)
"5) Solomon's Temple, Israel - The Western-wall Stone, from the Western-wall tunnel, The Largest stone is estimated at 11.625m long. Estimates of weight vary from 500 to 600 tons.
'The wall had an original height of from seventy to one hundred and forty feet. In places it is built from bottom to top of large squared stones, bevelled at the edges and varying between 97.5cm and 1.80m in height. The stones are laid without cement. The longest hitherto discovered measures 11.625m in length (not less than one hundred tonnes). Many of the other blocks are from half to two thirds of this height. The massiveness of the work is on par with the Egyptian pyramid-Kings; and the perfection of the cutting and fitting of the stones is nearly equal.' (1)
The stone has a length of 13.6 meters, a width estimated between 3.5 to 4.5 meters; estimates place the weight at 570 tons. (Ref: Wikipedia.org)
1 Kings 13-17: 13 And king Solomon chose workmen out of all Israel, and the levy was of thirty thousand men. 14 And he sent them to Libanus, ten thousand every month, by turns, so that two months they were at home: and Adoniram was over this levy. 15 And Soloman had seventy thousand to carry burdens, and eighty thousand to hew stones in the mountain: 16 Besides the overseers who were over every work, in number three thousand and three hundred, that ruled over the people, and them that did the work. 17 And the king commanded that they should bring great stones, costly stones, for the foundation of the temple, and should square them: 18 And the masons of Solomon and the masons of Hiram, hewed them: and the Giblians prepared timber and stones to build the house."
The above stone is just one of the small stones the ancients moved.
Sure do. It ain't square i.e. :"four corners of the earth."
It ain't a circle either.
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I'm not saying there are traslation errors in my bible. I'm saying there are some Bibles with translation errors.
Gosh!! You have an 'original'??
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When translating from one language such as the Hebrew into English it is impossible for there to be PERFECT translation.
The Hebrews had a word for circle and they had a word for ball/sphere. They we no more interchangeable then than they are now. A circle is not an orb/sphere/ball. If they knew the earth was a sphere they would not have used the word 'circle'. Live with it.
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Yes I do and it is not a square as stated earlier.
I didn't say it was. Your argument is with AW regarding that. What we are discussing is a circle. If someone asked you what shape the Earth was, what would you say?
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Just as I thought. You said the Bible says the world is flat.
Your Bible says that the Earth is a 'circle'. A circle is flat like a coin. QED.
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I asked you to provide a verse that states that. You can't. Why? Because it doesn't exist. Yet you make statements and expect us to believe them without proof.
I've asked you to provide the verse that says that one of the Jesus genealogies is that of Mary. You can't. Why? Because it doesn't exist. Yet you make statements and expect us to believe them without proof.
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No! We don't burn people at the stake for believing the earth is spherical.
Neither would Peter and the eleven have burned Isaiah. Nor would Paul, or Timothy or Barnabas and their followers have burned Isaiah at the stake.
Dude...you're hard work!! I didn't say 'we' did. I said that if the Church had been around at the time of Eratosthenes it would have burned HIM at the stake for saying that the Earth wasn't flat....we all know what they did to Galileo and others for saying that the Earth orbits the Sun don't we?
The German research group published their initial findings in 1992. [11] Balabanova, an experienced forensic chemist, used radioimmunoassay and gas chromatography/mass spectrometry (GC/MS) to identify and confirm the presence of cocaine, nicotine and hashish in Egyptian mummies. The remains used in this study included 7 mummified heads (all adults, 2 females, 5 males), 1 single complete adult female and 1 incomplete adult male. All the mummies tested were from the Egyptian Museum, Munich and they had been dated to a period spanning 1070BC – 395AD. Cocaine and hashish were also found in all 9 samples and nicotine was present in all but one of the samples tested.
In February 1993 the group published a second, more comprehensive, paper on their findings in The Lancet [12]. This included their analysis of 72 Peruvian (200 - 1500AD) and 11 Egyptian (1070BC – 395AD) mummies and also skeletal tissue from the Sudan (2 individuals, 5000 - 4000BC and 400 - 1400AD) and South Germany (10 individuals, 2500BC).
Their data (Table 1) showed that cocaine, nicotine and hashish could be identified in samples obtained from some, but not all, of the Peruvian and Egyptian mummies that were tested. They also identified nicotine in the bones of both individuals from the Sudan and in 8 out of 10 of the individuals from the German "Bell" culture. The levels of cocaine discovered in the hair of Peruvian mummies were found to be similar to the levels found in modern day German drug addicts and this would indicate that the degradation of the drug does not occur significantly over time. The Egyptian mummies were found to have approximately 75 times less cocaine than the maximal amounts identified in modern day German drug addicts.
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They knew the earth was round and had trade with South America.
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What, exactly, does this have to do with the history of the Bible? Or are you trying to avoid dealing with the subject of this thread and all the evidence that has been presented.
I believe I already debated this with Eusebius some time ago even providing him a list ot the Roman governors of Syria.
Was that in this thread? I'd like to read.
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