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Old 04-01-2008, 08:39 AM
 
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When people say they believe in God..

What does “believing in God” actually mean?

Does it mean.. believing in the separate existence of a supernatural being.. ?

Who acts.. and wills.. contrary to nature..?

If so.. where does this idea of a supernatural being come from.. ?

Does the Bible – REALLY - teach this is how God is..?

If so.. where?

Can you quote a passage ?


Or alternatively.. does believing in God mean… believing in the words spoken by the prophets..?

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“So he said to them: "O senseless ones and slow in heart to believe in all the things the prophets spoke!”

Luke 24:25


This being the case.. does 'believing in God".. really mean believing in this.. ?

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"For the entire Law stands fulfilled in one saying, namely: "You must love your neighbour as yourself." If, though, you keep on biting and devouring one another, look out that you do not get annihilated by one another." - Galatians 5:14

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And.. is an atheist.. really.. someone who doesn’t believe in this.. ?

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"Why do you not judge also for yourselves what is righteous?"

Luke 12:57



Just wondering..

What do you think.. ? ? ?

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Old 04-01-2008, 08:43 AM
 
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And.. is an atheist.. someone who doesn’t believe in this.. ?

"Why do you not judge also for yourselves what is righteous?"

Luke 12:57



Just wondering..

What do you think.. ? ? ?

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I can assure you that as an atheist I do care about right and wrong. Note that I did not say good and evil, as I believe "evil" is a religious construct. I think any rational and logical human being is capable of determining right from wrong, and if one does something they know is wrong, it diminishes them as a human being.
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Old 04-01-2008, 08:55 AM
 
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I believe that God loves us John 3:16.
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Old 04-01-2008, 09:08 AM
 
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I believe that God loves us John 3:16.

"He that has my commandments and observes them, that one is he who loves me. In turn he that loves me will be loved by my Father, and I will love him and will plainly show myself to him."

John 14:21
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Old 04-01-2008, 09:18 AM
 
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Believing means to Be and Live according to the principles and powers of God.

The greater the belief, the more one is like their Father, even to the point of oneness.

Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus, who being in the form of God, thought it NOT robbery to be equal to God.

godspeed,


freedom
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Old 04-01-2008, 09:37 AM
 
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Believing means to Be and Live according to the principles and powers of God.

The greater the belief, the more one is like their Father, even to the point of oneness.

Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus, who being in the form of God, thought it NOT robbery to be equal to God.

godspeed,


freedom
You mean this passage..

"Keep this mental attitude in you that was also in Jesus Christ, who although he was existing in God's form, gave no consideration to a seizure, namely, that he should be equal to God. No, but he emptied himself and took a slaves form and came to be in the likeness of men. '" - Philippians 2:5
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Old 04-01-2008, 10:33 AM
 
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You mean this passage..

"Keep this mental attitude in you that was also in Jesus Christ, who although he was existing in God's form, gave no consideration to a seizure, namely, that he should be equal to God. No, but he emptied himself and took a slaves form and came to be in the likeness of men. '" - Philippians 2:5

I prefer the
The Aramaic Pes-s-h-i-t-t-a and the KJV are the most accurate.

You do see the weakness of your translation?

Christ said, the things i do, ye shall do and more, if you believe. He also said that we could be ONE as He and the Father are ONE. Even to receiving a fulness of the Father. The translation that you posted is a sharp dissent from these truths.

godspeed,

freedom
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Old 04-01-2008, 10:41 AM
 
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I prefer the
The Aramaic Pes-s-h-i-t-t-a and the KJV are the most accurate.

You do see the weakness of your translation?

Christ said, the things i do, ye shall do and more, if you believe. He also said that we could be ONE as He and the Father are ONE. Even to receiving a fulness of the Father. The translation that you posted is a sharp dissent from these truths.

godspeed,

freedom
No.. it isn't

All translations have their errors.. none are perfect.

I prefer the translation I am using to KJV.. which has some major errors in it.

These are the verses you are quoting.. I believe

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“Do you not believe that I am in union with the Father and the Father is in union with me? The things I say to you men I do not speak of my own originality; but the Father who remains in union with me is doing his works. Believe me that I am in union with the Father and the Father is in union with me; otherwise, believe on account of the works themselves. Most truly I say to you, He that exercises faith in me, that one also will do the works that I do; and he will do works greater than these, because I am going my way to the Father.”

"I make request, not concerning these only, but also concerning those putting faith in me through their word: in order that they may all be one, just as you, Father, are in union with me and I am in union with you, that they also may be in union with us, in order that the world may believe that you sent me forth.”

John14:10 & 17:20

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Old 04-01-2008, 10:50 AM
 
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All translations have their errors.. none are perfect.

I prefer the translation I am using to KJV.. which has some major errors in it.

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“Do you not believe that I am in union with the Father and the Father is in union with me? The things I say to you men I do not speak of my own originality; but the Father who remains in union with me is doing his works. Believe me that I am in union with the Father and the Father is in union with me; otherwise, believe on account of the works themselves. Most truly I say to you, He that exercises faith in me, that one also will do the works that I do; and he will do works greater than these, because I am going my way to the Father.” - John14:10
WHat is your translation?

godspeed,

freedom
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Old 04-01-2008, 11:27 AM
 
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WHat is your translation?

godspeed,

freedom
Well.. it was given to me by a friend.. who told me the JW left it.

In spite of the fact I totally disagree with what they are teaching.. to give them their dues.. they do seem to have the best translation of the bible that I have yet come across.. I often make comparissons with other translations.. and.. in my experience other translations often make some passages sound ridiculous.. when they are not.

On the plus side.. sometimes KJV does translate better..

It is all down to swings and roundabouts.

Or private interpretations.. maybe.

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“Consequently we have the prophetic word made more sure; and you are doing well paying attention to it as to a lamp shining in a dark place, until day dawns and a daystar rises, in your hearts. For you know this first, that no prophesy of scripture springs from any private interpretation. For prophesy was at no time brought by man's will, but men spoke from God as they were born along by holy spirit.”

2Peter 1:19
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