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Actually, in opposition to the certainty of determinable development, Einstein says that light exists only in the present moment; the past is only gravity (the whole big-bang theory is rather suspect for the nature of celestial orbits and spherically shaped bodies), and the future is emanatable as well as evolving.
Time needs a balance.
A few simple and observable facts though ,tgnostic. Gravity, which Einstein could not explain, but also did not deny, creates order out of chaos. It "assembles" ancient Big Bang formed gases and particulate materials into the most stable form, a whirling sphere (the Earth, sun, our moon, the other planets, distant unformed but active galaxies, etc.).
Then, when these precursors are violently brought together, they condense and gravity helps the interactions and resulting collisions that eventually form heated masses and possibly nuclear reactions. Then, they do indeed form the next levels of new elements. All the way up to U235-238 etc. Then, we scientists take over, as in the Large Hadron Collider, to prove out our predictions and to create even heavier, if predictably transient, new elements. It will simulate the hypothesized Big Bang event in a tiny but controlled way.
True Star Power, and with the possible contribution of a predicted, but as yet undetected "boson" particle, courtesy of Dr. Higgs. The so-named God Particle, since it should be a logical and necesary outcome product of a Big Bang.
The writer of Genesis (book of beginnings) knew how life originated here . . . God originated it. Adam and Eve were made fully complete, not as an evolving species.
You are aware that there was no single author of Genesis but rather as many as three due to the contrasting differences in writing styles. Secondly, the oldest known manuscripts of the Torah (the first five books of the Christian Bible) are no older than 100 B.C. And while it is traditionally believed by Jews that the Torah was revealed to Moses at Mt. Sinai, that would have taken place around 1280 BC, modern biblical scholars do not believe that Moses actually played any role in authoring Genesis. So, who did? The Bible is silent on this issue. God was rather serious about putting his laws down in simple Hebrew, yet mysteriously neglects to write down his own account of creation. So where did it come? What would make it an authoritative account?
The writer of Genesis (book of beginnings) knew how life originated here . . . God originated it. Adam and Eve were made fully complete, not as an evolving species.
I agree with my godless colleagues. The OT is largely discredited, the NT is largely discredited (you have seen some of it yourself, though you tried to duck, dive, dodge and in the end rewrite the Bible) and evolution is substantiated.
Logically, evidentially and rationally, theism has lost the debate. The hard part is getting you to see it.
Originally Posted by Eusebius The writer of Genesis (book of beginnings) knew how life originated here . . . God originated it. Adam and Eve were made fully complete, not as an evolving species.
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So you believe mate but unfortunately for you, the verifiable evidence says that you are wrong.
Verifiable evidence we came from pond skum? LOL! You are quite a hoot Rafius!
I suppose you have a video showing dinosaurs and flees, ants, whales, birds, bees and humans and millions upon millions of other different species all coming out of pond skum. Bring it on. You say you have verifiable evidence? Bring it on. Exactly where did the millions upon millions of different species come from?
I agree with my godless colleagues. The OT is largely discredited, the NT is largely discredited (you have seen some of it yourself, though you tried to duck, dive, dodge and in the end rewrite the Bible) and evolution is substantiated.
Logically, evidentially and rationally, theism has lost the debate. The hard part is getting you to see it.
I'm sorry you've been so deceived. The day is coming when Christ will return and you will see how deceived you were. Until then, all we can do is love you and show you God's love.
I'm sorry you've been so deceived. The day is coming when Christ will return and you will see how deceived you were. Until then, all we can do is love you and show you God's love.
We've been told that he will be returning shortly for about 2011 years, perhaps he missed his flight?
Look daddy! "A transitional"! I thought they didn't exist! Oooohhh.... I'm scared!
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Verifiable evidence we came from pond skum? LOL! You are quite a hoot Rafius!
I suppose you have a video showing dinosaurs and flees, ants, whales, birds, bees and humans and millions upon millions of other different species all coming out of pond skum. Bring it on. You say you have verifiable evidence? Bring it on. Exactly where did the millions upon millions of different species come from?
Q: why do you try to compare such vastly differentiated organisms as some sort of trite truth that your answers are somehow more sensible? Should we push a model T out of the garage and claim that the latest Ford GT supercar cannot possibly have any relationship to the Ford? Surely you jest! This is your best possible argument?
And yet, when we do some standard scientific investigation, they both have the identical and irrefutable F....O....R....D ....codedinformation badge on the hood. A 1 in 10,000,000 chance that it's not from the same parent.
Hard to deny, huh? Rational conclusion? The newer one came from the same evolutionary ancestors. Irrefutable, except possibly by your logic. And yet, there's no video showing some midnight Evolutionary instant change-over, either. Like the oft-demanded cat-giving-birth-to-a-dog, as some sort of looney proof. But yet.... here it is: proof of lineage. To most of us anyways.
We cannot show ancient uni-celled pond scum turning into much of anything, because it's tiny one-celled origins really didn't mineralize (i,.e, fossilize) very well. But we can show it now, in the lab, speciating into another, well... species! (our definition, not your wrong one). It can be demo'd on demand. Only the current time has changed, but, rationally, if it happens now, it happened then. You just refuse to even consider it.
BTW, videos are not the end-all proof of anything. Or did you believe the Avatar movie?
And as for later results, we can and have shown, quite conclusively, that in the nanometer-resolution micro-SEM scans of ancient sedimentary varves, with their 200 million year-extinct pollens and ancient multi-celled organisms, all are quite identifiable back those multi-millions of years. What, you want to refute that?
Because if so, would you also discount the dendritic counts on a massive redwood, denying that each measurable ring equals one year? Not a very safe bet, IMHO. But still, you may choose to claim so...
Next, we can and have shown precise family lineage links for related modern organisms extending over many millenia. And the latest DNA mapping techniques are now elucidating the exact micro-DNA changes of macro-evolution, even between single generations. Like you compared to your parents, or their parents. Undeniable.
The findings last year, by those pesky British Evolutionary scientists, of suppressed alleles in modern chickens, that, if allowed to express (i.e.: they were chemically un-repressed) produced absolutely identical dentition ("teeth" to you) to their velociraptor ancestors, plus a long reptilian tail, and scaly skin layers. That's where the study stopped looking, but do you want to bet [$$$$$$$] they might also find other absolute links back to ancient dino-reptiles as time progresses?
So... did modern birds evolve from past reptiles/dinosaurs, and still carry the unambiguous evidence? You deny it, loudly, claiming "No! There's no video!"
Oh perhaps "denied" only here, on paper, in a non-mediated sub-forum, and therefore anonymously & safely. But down in the lab? With the world watching? Nope. You'd lose.
You're a transitional for sure. Glad tuh meet yah!
Q: why do you try to compare such vastly differentiated organisms as some sort of trite truth that your answers are somehow more sensible? Should we push a model T out of the garage and claim that the latest Ford GT supercar cannot possibly have any relationship to the Ford? Surely you jest! This is your best possible argument?
And yet, when we do some standard scientific investigation, they both have the identical and irrefutable F....O....R....D ....codedinformation badge on the hood. A 1 in 10,000,000 chance that it's not from the same parent.
Hard to deny, huh? Rational conclusion? The newer one came from the same evolutionary ancestors. Irrefutable, except possibly by your logic. And yet, there's no video showing some midnight Evolutionary instant change-over, either. Like the oft-demanded cat-giving-birth-to-a-dog, as some sort of looney proof. But yet.... here it is: proof of lineage. To most of us anyways.
We cannot show ancient uni-celled pond scum turning into much of anything, because it's tiny one-celled origins really didn't mineralize (i,.e, fossilize) very well. But we can show it now, in the lab, speciating into another, well... species! (our definition, not your wrong one). It can be demo'd on demand. Only the current time has changed, but, rationally, if it happens now, it happened then. You just refuse to even consider it.
BTW, videos are not the end-all proof of anything. Or did you believe the Avatar movie?
And as for later results, we can and have shown, quite conclusively, that in the nanometer-resolution micro-SEM scans of ancient sedimentary varves, with their 200 million year-extinct pollens and ancient multi-celled organisms, all are quite identifiable back those multi-millions of years. What, you want to refute that?
Because if so, would you also discount the dendritic counts on a massive redwood, denying that each measurable ring equals one year? Not a very safe bet, IMHO. But still, you may choose to claim so...
Next, we can and have shown precise family lineage links for related modern organisms extending over many millenia. And the latest DNA mapping techniques are now elucidating the exact micro-DNA changes of macro-evolution, even between single generations. Like you compared to your parents, or their parents. Undeniable.
The findings last year, by those pesky British Evolutionary scientists, of suppressed alleles in modern chickens, that, if allowed to express (i.e.: they were chemically un-repressed) produced absolutely identical dentition ("teeth" to you) to their velociraptor ancestors, plus a long reptilian tail, and scaly skin layers. That's where the study stopped looking, but do you want to bet [$$$$$$$] they might also find other absolute links back to ancient dino-reptiles as time progresses?
So... did modern birds evolve from past reptiles/dinosaurs, and still carry the unambiguous evidence? You deny it, loudly, claiming "No! There's no video!"
Oh perhaps "denied" only here, on paper, in a non-mediated sub-forum, and therefore anonymously & safely. But down in the lab? With the world watching? Nope. You'd lose.
You're a transitional for sure. Glad tuh meet yah!
watched a show there the other day,on donosaurs and birds,and just about every dinosaur(in the jurassic period,i think)had a wishbone,like the same that i think everybird today has.no other animal has a wishbone except birds,but yet all the dino's had them.
i seen that aswell about the chickens growing tales,well they are along way from turning them back into dinosaurs,i think they only got about 4 or 5 bones to grow,but they are tryin to get the arms to grow too,im not into that kinda stuff though shouldnt mess with nature.
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Look daddy! "A transitional"! I thought they didn't exist! Oooohhh.... I'm scared!
