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Nice deflection, do you deny that 80% gays come from xian families?
If it is a choice, what are the parents doing wrong to cause this, after all you lot always deflect to first cause so lets be consistent eh?
Lastly, why is your awesome god incapable of preventing this from happening?
I personally do not know that many Christians. And when I have been to church, which is rare. I don't see to many Christians there either. Just because someone finds themselves in a building on Sunday morning does not make them a Christian. God has given man a free choice to choose good or evil. And even Christ said, that when He returned would He find any faith left on the earth. Evil is a choice most people find more attractive.
When did I ever indicate that the process is any different for gays/lesbians? Go back and read my posts. I fully understand that there are many gay/lesbian couples that follow this process, however, as I have stated repeatedly, after the sexual/emotional part of the process, everything else is 100% CHOICE. Whether those CHOICES are right/wrong is part of an entirely different conversation, which is very difficult to have when people refuse to be honest about the prefacing issue.
Now this is very interesting and very telling. Notice that I didn't talk about individual people, or speak to their personalities at all, I simply spoke about their lifestyles (the CHOICES in life they have made that have shaped how they live their life). I never disparaged individuals or said that anything was positive/negative, I simply stated that they were CHOICES. Now, I did indicate that one of my examples included illegal acts, so I gave another example, this time not saying anything about whether it was right/wrong simply that it was a CHOICE. In your response, YOU are the one that labeled both of those examples as negatives, it wasn't me. What exactly do you mean by "see them for who they are"? Did I ever say that I can't see good qualities in bank robbers and porn stars as far as the individual people go? I am sure that there are many porn stars who are absolutely, wonderfully nice and caring people, but that does not mean that I have to agree with the CHOICES they have made in their life. May I ask you what is wrong with a porn star? Why did you view that as a negative? Are YOU able to "see those people for who they are"? What are your thoughts on adult incestuous relationships where "You fall in love with a particular woman, get married, set up house, maybe have kids etc."? What are the differences between that relationship and a gay/lesbian relationship?
I do not lack understanding of the issues at hand, and I have no hate, bigotry, or homophobia towards anyone. I have known many gay/lesbian people who I sincerely and genuinely liked and regarded as friends, but that does not mean that I have agreed with all the CHOICES they have made in their lives.
From a completely naturalistic viewpoint, sexual attraction is for the purpose of encouraging procreation. How can two homosexuals procreate? No human being can come into existence without a mother and a father. Can you please share with me the evolutionary advantage of same-sex attraction thereby making procreation impossible?
Why do you view incest(between two consenting adults) as immoral? Why is it ok for you to view them as immoral, but it is wrong for others to view gay/lesbian sex as immoral?
Hatred causes the spread of Hate. You and I both know that this world is full of people that pick any number of reasons to hate, be they religious, political, racial, or a variety of other things. It is patently ignorant and dishonest to say that the bible is the cause of the hate, when this same book has been the impetus behind countless selfless acts and acts of love. Do you honestly think that if mankind did not have religion, that he would not find some other excuse to visit atrocities on his fellow man? Oh and by the way, if Jesus is TRUTH then He is everyones TRUTH whether they believe in Him or not.
You believe incest only happens between consenting adults. No sorry hate to tell ya many times it doesn't work that way. Nothing natural about that. Severe malformalities and conditions can affect the children born, that doesn't scream natural.
Why do you think sex and attraction is only for procreation? People can be not attracted and produce. It is a natural reaction, sex is used for way more than producing babies. If you think it is I feel bad for you.
When did you choose which sex you would be attracted to? Are you telling me my 12 year old cousin made a choice to prefer boys? If anything the only choice they have made was to act on their feelings and to ignore the opinions that have no business telling them they are wrong or are sinners.. Bible is the cause of the hate spread in the name of religion. Yes I believe we would be better off without several religions. Several countries treat there people better and have less need to throw their weight around and Christianity, Islam and the like have little or no part of their people. Jesus isnt the truth, he is a part of a myth created to instill fear and control people in an archaic and uneducated time. I find it sad people still cling to it.
Why would anyone choose to be gay? What are the upsides?
And I want to know more about the "gay lifestyle". I have one gay friend that is a law enforcement officer who likes to hunt. Is that the gay lifestyle? I have another that is an intellectual property attorney in NYC and is an antiquarian. Is that the "gay lifestyle"? Or are all gay people supposed to be drag queens on Bourbon street?
They dont choose, I have several gay friends that have told me that if they had a choice they wouldn't be gay. Why with all the hate and discrimination would you choose to be gay, it is the dumbest thing I have ever heard.
Why would anyone choose to be gay? What are the upsides?
And I want to know more about the "gay lifestyle". I have one gay friend that is a law enforcement officer who likes to hunt. Is that the gay lifestyle? I have another that is an intellectual property attorney in NYC and is an antiquarian. Is that the "gay lifestyle"? Or are all gay people supposed to be drag queens on Bourbon street?
"being gay" is not necessarily a choice, however, "being gay" is often used to simply describe same-sex attraction, but then also wants to lump in same-sex intercourse in with it. The two do have a connection, however they are separated by the fact that one is distinctly a choice. As for the "gay lifestyle" it can be as varied as any other lifestyle. Why do so many people seem to have an issue with the phrase "gay lifestyle"? When was the last time someone looked up the word lifestyle?
"lifestyle |ˈlīfˌstīl|
noun
the way in which a person or group lives"
A "gay lifestyle" can be any lifestyle in which a person chooses to enter into open amorous relationships with members of the same sex. That is a choice and the "upside" of that choice is that they get to indulge in their desires. Why would a person "choose" to cheat on their spouse? They didn't want the feelings of attraction they have for the person they aren't married too. What is the "upside" of them starting to live a "cheaters lifestyle"? They get to indulge their sexual desires, and as any intelligent human being, who has watched a second of news, will admit, human sexual desire is incredibly strong. How many people on this earth have essentially ruined their lives for no other reason than their CHOICE to indulge their sexual desires? Did Tiger Woods choose his lifestyle? I certainly think that he did. What was the "upside" for him? It ended in ruin, yet he choose it anyway.
This will be the last time I will respond to you. The CDC numbers don't agree with yours. (SHOCKING!) Showing only 53% of new cases are gay/bi men. With 31% being heterosexuals and 16% being drug users. Yes gay men are more at risk for contracting AIDS but that is starting to be less and less every year. (In the U.S.) Why? Education. Not denial of their nature due to religious bigotry.
Saying AIDS is a gay man's disease is like saying heart disease is a fat persons disease.
Well of course this will be the last time you will respond to me. Because when you have no real facts. What more can you say? And naturally when you are confronted with the latest findings of the CDC. And those findings do not agree with your personal beliefs. Naturally you must make your exit.
A data analysis today by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention underscores the (DISPROPORTIONATE) inpact of HIV and syphilis among (GAY AND BISEXUAL MEN) in the United States.
CDC data have shown for several years that (GAY AND BISEXUAL MEN) make up (THE MAJORITY OF NEW HIV AND SYPHILIS INFECTIONS.) "While the heavy toll of HIV and syphilis among gay and bisexual men has been long recognized, this analysis shows (JUST HOW STARK THE HEALTH DISPARITIES ARE BETWEEN THIS AND OTHER POPULATIONS).
I personally do not know that many Christians. And when I have been to church, which is rare. I don't see to many Christians there either. Just because someone finds themselves in a building on Sunday morning does not make them a Christian. God has given man a free choice to choose good or evil. And even Christ said, that when He returned would He find any faith left on the earth. Evil is a choice most people find more attractive.
You refuse to answer the question posed (no surprise) because you are backed into a corner. You keep harping on about choice.
I let you go with that as if it was true because then you would have to admit the parents did something wrong. ±80% folk in the USA claim to be xian and this fact is ALWAYS thrown in our faces yet you do not want to fess up and admit then that logically, 80% of gays in the USA MUST come from hetero xian marriages.
The choices we make in life are hugely influenced by our upbringing and specifically by our parents. This the root cause of the "choice to be gay" as you would like us to believe is thus proportionally equal percentage wise to the failure of xian parents in the upbringing of their sons that become gay by "choice".
So tell us oh wise sage, what are these parents doing wrong and what are you as a pious xian doing about it to set the record straight?
I know you will not answer me as I have already cornered you 3 posts ago.
The truth is the "ick factor" that drives your mundane rhetoric and obvious bigotry. I am not attracted to men and I certainly did not choose to be attracted to women. Thus, a gay man must be inversely the same.
By your reasoning, atheists are deceived by satan and so too are gays. Why then are all atheists not gay?
Well of course this will be the last time you will respond to me. Because when you have no real facts. What more can you say? And naturally when you are confronted with the latest findings of the CDC. And those findings do not agree with your personal beliefs. Naturally you must make your exit.
A data analysis today by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention underscores the (DISPROPORTIONATE) inpact of HIV and syphilis among (GAY AND BISEXUAL MEN) in the United States.
CDC data have shown for several years that (GAY AND BISEXUAL MEN) make up (THE MAJORITY OF NEW HIV AND SYPHILIS INFECTIONS.) "While the heavy toll of HIV and syphilis among gay and bisexual men has been long recognized, this analysis shows (JUST HOW STARK THE HEALTH DISPARITIES ARE BETWEEN THIS AND OTHER POPULATIONS).
Now you can go and live in your pretend world, where real facts don't matter, and anyone who presents the truth are nothing but hateful bigots.
Maybe you can highlight the 72% in either article for us, still doesn't jive with your numbers, or the numbers of your nonfact producing christian bs site.
And he/she is done with you not because they have no facts ( they post tons unlike what you post) but because they are tired of your hate filled fact ignoring rhetoric
You refuse to answer the question posed (no surprise) because you are backed into a corner. You keep harping on about choice.
I let you go with that as if it was true because then you would have to admit the parents did something wrong. ±80% folk in the USA claim to be xian and this fact is ALWAYS thrown in our faces yet you do not want to fess up and admit then that logically, 80% of gays in the USA MUST come from hetero xian marriages.
The choices we make in life are hugely influenced by our upbringing and specifically by our parents. This the root cause of the "choice to be gay" as you would like us to believe is thus proportionally equal percentage wise to the failure of xian parents in the upbringing of their sons that become gay by "choice".
So tell us oh wise sage, what are these parents doing wrong and what are you as a pious xian doing about it to set the record straight?
I know you will not answer me as I have already cornered you 3 posts ago.
The truth is the "ick factor" that drives your mundane rhetoric and obvious bigotry. I am not attracted to men and I certainly did not choose to be attracted to women. Thus, a gay man must be inversely the same.
By your reasoning, atheists are deceived by satan and so too are gays. Why then are all atheists not gay?
I wonder what they think of a transsexual or hermaphrodite. I mean this choice stuff is such complete BS
The CDC estimated that, in the 33 US states that reported on HIV incidence, 157,252 persons were diagnosed with HIV/AIDS between 2001 and 2004, 71% of whom were male. THE CDC ALSO NOTED THAT THE MAJORITY OF MEN WHO CONTRACTED THE DISEASE WERE AFFECTED THROUGH THE ACT OF SODOMY.
The CDC estimated that, in the 33 US states that reported on HIV incidence, 157,252 persons were diagnosed with HIV/AIDS between 2001 and 2004, 71% of whom were male. THE CDC ALSO NOTED THAT THE MAJORITY OF MEN WHO CONTRACTED THE DISEASE WERE AFFECTED THROUGH THE ACT OF SODOMY.
It is not stated that 72% of the new cases of HIV or AIDS is gay people which is what you stated. Yes Sodomy, which is a form of sex, is a way to contract aids, no one said it wasnt.
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