sincere Question about evolution? (quote, Christian, exist, Christ)

[dobeable]

why did naural selection take away the preditory ability's and size of the raptor,and gradually turn it into a weak and meek chicken,who lets face it,is a pretty easy target for almost any predator,especially us,not me im vegetarian,im hopin me man rifle'can give us a helpin hand on this one.

[Melvin.George]

Originally Posted by dobeable

why did naural selection take away the preditory ability's and size of the raptor,and gradually turn it into a weak and meek chicken,who lets face it,is a pretty easy target for almost any predator,especially us,not me im vegetarian,im hopin me man rifle'can give us a helpin hand on this one.

Maybe it was something like the asteroid which struck the earth and killed all the dinosaurs. Sure would have been handy if that asteroid had struck the ark. two by two by two.

[fishbrains]

Dobeable,

How many predatory birds are there in existence? How many chickens are there?

I bet that there are a lot more chickens in existence than predators. Therefore, it seems like it is a pretty good evolutionary gambit for the chicken species.

On a more serious note, evolution does not simply favor what we like to think of as beneficial traits. Big teeth, big brains, speed, size, cuteness, are not necessarily evolutionary advantages. Sometimes breeding really fast (rabbits and chickens), or eating virtually anything (rats), can be beneficial enough to the species that evolutionary pressures favor these traits.

[20yrsinBranson]

Originally Posted by dobeable

why did naural selection take away the preditory ability's and size of the raptor,and gradually turn it into a weak and meek chicken,who lets face it,is a pretty easy target for almost any predator,especially us,not me im vegetarian,im hopin me man rifle'can give us a helpin hand on this one.

Even though the predecessor of the chicken was reptilian, most likely it was prey for larger and stronger carnivorous raptors. Chickens are still very much predators when it comes to insects so it is unlikely that their place in the food chain has not changed that dramatically.

Most, if not all, of the chickens that we have contact with are domesticated and had the brains bred out of them to make them docile and weak. Not to mention, the fact that many have been further weakened due to constant medication (antibiotics, hormones), etc. I would venture to say, that if you were to go to Southeast Asia and got to know some "jungle fowl" personally, you would certainly discover that normal, natural non-hybridized, non-medicated chickens are *nothing* whatsoever like the lame examples you will find in civilized nations, and very much still predatory and more similar to the primitive raptor species from which they evolved.

20yrsinBranson

[Melvin.George]

Originally Posted by 20yrsinBranson

Even though the predecessor of the chicken was reptilian, most likely it was prey for larger and stronger carnivorous raptors. Chickens are still very much predators when it comes to insects so it is unlikely that their place in the food chain has not changed that dramatically.

Most, if not all, of the chickens that we have contact with are domesticated and had the brains bred out of them to make them docile and weak. Not to mention, the fact that many have been further weakened due to constant medication (antibiotics, hormones), etc. I would venture to say, that if you were to go to Southeast Asia and got to know some "jungle fowl" personally, you would certainly discover that normal, natural non-hybridized, non-medicated chickens are *nothing* whatsoever like the lame examples you will find in civilized nations, and very much still predatory and more similar to the primitive raptor species from which they evolved.

20yrsinBranson

All I know about chickens is that many times I've seen my maternal grandmother pick them up from the farmyard one in each hand and wring their necks. I can still see them flopping and flapping around until they finally died. Fried chicken was one of her specialities and she used pure pork lard as part of the buttermilk, bread crumbs etc. coating she would roll them in before she fried them on a wood cookstove.

[20yrsinBranson]

Originally Posted by Melvin.George

All I know about chickens is that many times I've seen my maternal grandmother pick them up from the farmyard one in each hand and wring their necks. I can still see them flopping and flapping around until they finally died. Fried chicken was one of her specialities and she used pure pork lard as part of the buttermilk, bread crumbs etc. coating she would roll them in before she fried them on a wood cookstove.

Wow, what time is dinner? I'll be there with bells on. YUM YUM~

20yrsinBranson

[Melvin.George]

Originally Posted by 20yrsinBranson

Wow, what time is dinner? I'll be there with bells on. YUM YUM~

20yrsinBranson

My granddad cut hair. He never charged anyone a dime. He would set an old straight chair under a big elm tree(weather permitting) and cut people's hair as long as someone was waiting. Two of my uncles played string music and three or four times a year everyone got together and had a small country festival. Family, cousins, other farmers etc. would come and stay till dark. I was a young boy and I'll never forget those times. That was in the late 1930's and early 1940's.

Uh Oh!! I just realized I'm so far off the subject I might get warned for it. At my age the mind sometimes wanders.

[dobeable]

Originally Posted by Melvin.George

Maybe it was something like the asteroid which struck the earth and killed all the dinosaurs. Sure would have been handy if that asteroid had struck the ark. two by two by two.

what are you talkin about an ark for,i never asked anything about an ark,im not even a christian,it was a sincere question,so if the asteroid struck the earth and killed all the dinosaurs then how come chickens and birds have so much in common,biologically,like wishbones,with dinosaurs

[dobeable]

Originally Posted by 20yrsinBranson

Even though the predecessor of the chicken was reptilian, most likely it was prey for larger and stronger carnivorous raptors. Chickens are still very much predators when it comes to insects so it is unlikely that their place in the food chain has not changed that dramatically.

Most, if not all, of the chickens that we have contact with are domesticated and had the brains bred out of them to make them docile and weak. Not to mention, the fact that many have been further weakened due to constant medication (antibiotics, hormones), etc. I would venture to say, that if you were to go to Southeast Asia and got to know some "jungle fowl" personally, you would certainly discover that normal, natural non-hybridized, non-medicated chickens are *nothing* whatsoever like the lame examples you will find in civilized nations, and very much still predatory and more similar to the primitive raptor species from which they evolved.

20yrsinBranson

well i was kind of thinkin that myself,about the chickens been predators in their on little way,eatin bugs and stuff,and im sure their are some meaner ones out there too,and ****'s can be pretty viscious towards each other,but i was just wondering why would natural selection take away from those other abilitys like size that is such a defining thing in survival,usually the biggest cat wins type of thing..or maybe im wrong and they havnt evolved from veloceraptors but much smaller dino's,im not too sure.

thanks for your reply.

peace.

[dobeable]

Originally Posted by fishbrains

Dobeable,

How many predatory birds are there in existence? How many chickens are there?

I bet that there are a lot more chickens in existence than predators. Therefore, it seems like it is a pretty good evolutionary gambit for the chicken species.

On a more serious note, evolution does not simply favor what we like to think of as beneficial traits. Big teeth, big brains, speed, size, cuteness, are not necessarily evolutionary advantages. Sometimes breeding really fast (rabbits and chickens), or eating virtually anything (rats), can be beneficial enough to the species that evolutionary pressures favor these traits.

thanks for yur thoughts,so in other words ,and correct me if im wrong,that the evolutionary process dosent always favour the survival mechanism,after all if it were the opposite way and instead of small chickens we had huge man eating birds then who would want to try slaughter and eat those beasts.