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Fair enough. It's a natural instinct of mine to defend My Lord. I'm sure you feel the same.
Yes it is but I think that the reality is that for many of us who view him as a Jewish man, maybe a teacher or rabbi. It would be as if a Rabbi or a minister went into a Synagogue or a church and started attacking people and damaging property.
That was how it was viewed at the time.
Can you imagine what the outcry would be if someone who behaved that way today? I think he would be escorted to a jail cell.
Yes it is but I think that the reality is that for many of us who view him as a Jewish man, maybe a teacher or rabbi. It would be as if a Rabbi or a minister went into a Synagogue or a church and started attacking people and damaging property.
That was how it was viewed at the time.
Can you imagine what the outcry would be if someone who behaved that way today? I think he would be escorted to a jail cell.
That post made me laugh. I'm sorry, but those robbers would never even be allowed at the Synagogue or the Church right now.
And that again makes me wonder, why Jewish authorities didn't stop Jesus? Because they knew that He was right and that this selling/buying shouldn't be allowed at the Temple. Not to mention, that He didn't damage the property of the Temple and whether or not He attacked anyone is opened to interpretation.
muslims,jews and christians all believe in jesus...
Nope. Not all believe in Jesus. They all believe there is a God, Allah etc, but who some call God with their religion is not the same of another religion.
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Jews don't believe in Jesus.......... He was a Jewish man who was a teacher but he was not the messiah nor a god.
Nope. Not all believe in Jesus. They all believe there is a God, Allah etc, but who some call God with their religion is not the same of another religion.
Christians believe that Jesus was the Son of God.
Christians believe in the trinity, god in 3 persons
That post made me laugh. I'm sorry, but those robbers would never even be allowed at the Synagogue or the Church right now.
And that again makes me wonder, why Jewish authorities didn't stop Jesus? Because they knew that He was right and that this selling/buying shouldn't be allowed at the Temple. Not to mention, that He didn't damage the property of the Temple and whether or not He attacked anyone is opened to interpretation.
The reality is that the money changers had a reason to be there. They were changing money from that which was not halachically acceptable to that which could be used in ritual ceremonies.
Jesus was a Jewish man who had a following who decided to go into the temple grounds and damage and overturn the property that was not his but belonged to others. It doesn't matter if it was temple property or not.
If the Jewish authorities had issue with the money changers they would have taken care of the matter, but they didn't.
There are two ways to look at this and it will be different depending whether you are Christian or Jewish.
His behavior actually brought him to the attention of the Roman authorities as would happen in this day and age.
If someone acted as he did today he would be taken to the local jail.
The reality is that the money changers had a reason to be there. They were changing money from that which was not halachically acceptable to that which could be used in ritual ceremonies.
Jesus was a Jewish man who had a following who decided to go into the temple grounds and damage and overturn the property that was not his but belonged to others. It doesn't matter if it was temple property or not.
If the Jewish authorities had issue with the money changers they would have taken care of the matter, but they didn't.
There are two ways to look at this and it will be different depending whether you are Christian or Jewish.
His behavior actually brought him to the attention of the Roman authorities as would happen in this day and age.
If someone acted as he did today he would be taken to the local jail.
The reality is that Jewish authorities were corrupt as day and benefited from turning The Temple (the place of prayer) into a noisy market place that was filled with buyers, sellers and money exchangers. Jesus (one man) came and drove them out and yet nobody stopped Him??? How come? That brings me to think that either Jewish authorities were cowards and couldn't stand up against one man OR they were aware that He was right to do so in the first place. I'm inclined to believe the latter.
His behavior wouldn't be an issue to Roman authorities IF Jewish authorities didn't complain about Him.
PS: Let's not bring up the present time, because as I've mentioned before this type of marketplace wouldn't be allowed in the Place of Prayer right now. So your comparison is ultimately flawed.
The reality is that Jewish authorities were corrupt as day and benefited from turning The Temple (the place of prayer) into a noisy market place that was filled with buyers, sellers and money exchangers. Jesus (one man) came and drove them out and yet nobody stopped Him??? How come? That brings me to think that either Jewish authorities were cowards and couldn't stand up against one man OR they were aware that He was right to do so in the first place. I'm inclined to believe the latter.
His behavior wouldn't be an issue to Roman authorities IF Jewish authorities didn't complain about Him.
PS: Let's not bring up the present time, because as I've mentioned before this type of marketplace wouldn't be allowed in the Place of Prayer right now. So your comparison is ultimately flawed.
My comparison is not flawed, it anyone entered a church or synagogue and overturned tables he would be arrested. If anyone attacked merchants he would be arrested.
Jesus may have seen them as corrupt or those who wrote that particular passage wanted to show that Jesus had reason to do what he did.
I don't for a minute not see the NT as not biased in how it views the Jews of the time, it has shown the Jews to be the bad guys when it was in fact the Romans.
Those who carried out commerce at the Temple site were doing
the business of the day. If the authorities had issue with it they would have changed it but they didn't.
This type of market place would not happen because the temple is gone and we practice Rabbinic Judaism not the Temple Judaism of 2000 years ago.
The rituals of sacrifice no longer occur.
But in the end what Jesus did was what probably caused him his life because he was seen as a trouble maker and one who might bring about a Jewish rebellion against the Romans.
So I would say the authorities did take action.
Again Jews and Christians will see it differently.
You see it your way because he is your Lord.
He is not mine and I view it as a Jew.
I do not want to argue with you but we both see it how we do because of what we are in our faith tradition.
Okay Jazzymom, I don't want to argue either. I understand that it's virtually impossible for anyone who follows Judaism to admit the corruption that was going on in the Temple at the time. That would be an admission that Jesus's teachings and actions ultimately were correct. And of course, the cause of loss of Jesus's life is completely different in our perspective. So this argument will just go in circles.
Okay Jazzymom, I don't want to argue either. I understand that it's virtually impossible for anyone who follows Judaism to admit the corruption that was going on in the Temple at the time. That would be an admission that Jesus's teachings and actions ultimately were correct. And of course, the cause of loss of Jesus's life is completely different in our perspective. So this argument will just go in circles.
I agree to disagree.
For all I know there was corruption, there is corruption now... But I don't agree with his actions.
I don't think we can know because I do believe the NT is biased and I do think it does not always speak to the truth.
I believe that the times of Jesus were very dangerous and living under Roman rule was horrific..
But I see Jesus as a Jewish man who had a following and he questioned the traditions and faith of his day. I don't believe he wanted to start a new religion I think he wanted to reform his own.
Eventually the religion of Jesus changed and with the Temple gone Judaism is very different today.
And you are right the argument will always go in circles.
It is less problematic for me though because whether I see the corruption or I don't, whether his actions were right or not right. That does not change what I believe because he was just a man.
It does not change my beliefs.
And yes we need to just agree to disagree.....
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