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But this is where I have a problem. As a male and even when I was xian, married or single, if a women dressed sexy, I would not go out and rape her as if she was asking for it. That idea is ludicrous. Sure men have higher sexual urges, as a young man, it does not take much to get aroused. There are still laws one has to adhere to. Rape as far as I know is not a crime of passion/sexual but a violent crime. It used to carry the death penalty here once upon a time. Rape is not allowed anywhere in the world but it does appear that in muslim countries, girls raped, the girl is as much to blame if not more than the obviously more stronger male. We hear of raped girls getting stoned but never the males getting stoned.
When I had dealings with Saudi businessmen, in the office the girls were asked not to wear jeans but these dudes could not keep their eyes off them even in dresses. Of course you could see the outline of their boobs and that is where their focus was on. We had a few (attractive) female programmers and they were there to see the operations before awarding the contract. In the eye wanderings you could see their embarrassment with all the oogling. I left the company before the contract was awarded but the guys I managed had some interesting stories to tell of their stay in Saudi.
I don't understand the mentality that men need women to be covered to be in control.... But you will find that in Muslim countries women can be charged if they are raped under laws that pertain to indecency. There is the mentality that women who are raped must have done something to deserve it.
That is probably why the women journalist was sexually attacked in Egypt while doing her job. She got separated from her crew and then was attacked by a mob of men....
I don't understand the mentality that men need women to be covered to be in control.... But you will find that in Muslim countries women can be charged if they are raped under laws that pertain to indecency. There is the mentality that women who are raped must have done something to deserve it.
That is probably why the women journalist was sexually attacked in Egypt while doing her job. She got separated from her crew and then was attacked by a mob of men....
She was alone and not covered....
Yeah it is as if something like this happens she is fair game. I googled a bit to try find some pics of these public executions and mutilations and came upon a site about the regime in Saudi, in 2002 there was a fire apparently and 15 girls burned to death while trying to escape as the religious police would not let them out because they were not covered. How sick is that? Link
In 2002, fifteen schoolgirls died in a blazing building in Mecca after the Saudi Arabia ‘religious police’ blocked their escape when they weren’t wearing the correct female Islamic dress. One witness said he saw three policemen beating young girls to prevent them from leaving the school because they were not wearing the abaya [black clothing that covers the whole body]‘. The religious police are widely feared in Saudi Arabia, as they roam the streets enforcing dress codes and sex segregation, and ensuring prayers are performed on time. Those who refuse to obey their orders are often beaten and sometimes jailed.
This one of the USA's allies in the ME to boot. These are the kind of reports our friend here wants us to ignore.
This is the backdrop of islam as Mecca is in Saudi and their most cherished holy site.
Maybe with all these uprisings there, they can have their own little French revolutions and dispose of these nut jobs.
I don't understand the mentality that men need women to be covered to be in control.... But you will find that in Muslim countries women can be charged if they are raped under laws that pertain to indecency. There is the mentality that women who are raped must have done something to deserve it.
That is probably why the women journalist was sexually attacked in Egypt while doing her job. She got separated from her crew and then was attacked by a mob of men....
She was alone and not covered....
in the bibles it says to for women to cover which is why the jews used to cover its also why every christmas in the nativity scene people put in their lawns, u find that they were covered. people changed the religion. so you talk about a female journalist who got raped, that doesnt make it part of the religion. that just makes them horrible people. and men do not force their women to cover. no one forces them, its something god said a woman should do and if u believe otherwise i believe that god knows best.
Yeah it is as if something like this happens she is fair game. I googled a bit to try find some pics of these public executions and mutilations and came upon a site about the regime in Saudi, in 2002 there was a fire apparently and 15 girls burned to death while trying to escape as the religious police would not let them out because they were not covered. How sick is that? Link
In 2002, fifteen schoolgirls died in a blazing building in Mecca after the Saudi Arabia ‘religious police’ blocked their escape when they weren’t wearing the correct female Islamic dress. One witness said he saw three policemen beating young girls to prevent them from leaving the school because they were not wearing the abaya [black clothing that covers the whole body]‘. The religious police are widely feared in Saudi Arabia, as they roam the streets enforcing dress codes and sex segregation, and ensuring prayers are performed on time. Those who refuse to obey their orders are often beaten and sometimes jailed.
This one of the USA's allies in the ME to boot. These are the kind of reports our friend here wants us to ignore.
This is the backdrop of islam as Mecca is in Saudi and their most cherished holy site.
Maybe with all these uprisings there, they can have their own little French revolutions and dispose of these nut jobs.
again, your talking about bad people. if they were christians who did this to these girls you would not say "its part of christianity and all christians are sick" no you would say these are just bad people. the us is a christian nation and had over 250,000 sexual assaults (this includes rape) in one year alone and you want to point your fingers at a others? theres a lot of promblems we need to fix here before you start claiming to be better than anyone else.
in the bibles it says to for women to cover which is why the jews used to cover its also why every christmas in the nativity scene people put in their lawns, u find that they were covered. people changed the religion. so you talk about a female journalist who got raped, that doesnt make it part of the religion. that just makes them horrible people. and men do not force their women to cover. no one forces them, its something god said a woman should do and if u believe otherwise i believe that god knows best.
The treatment of women in Islamic countries comes from the belief that it is Islamic that they cover. It also comes from the belief that men have urges that they find hard to control and thus women need to cover to help men control themselves. And it also comes out of the medieval position that women somehow need men to take care of them and they in many Islamic countries cannot go out without a male escort. The fact that the woman journalist was attacked just speaks to the whole outlook in Muslim countries towards women.
The attitude is both cultural and Islamic.
You can put any kind of spin on it that you want. But the truth is the truth.
Men need to have self control and be able to do that themselves, it is not a womans place to help a man with self control.
That is where the problems begin.
My sons will be responsible for their own self control and they will understand that it is not a womans place to make that possible.
again, your talking about bad people. if they were christians who did this to these girls you would not say "its part of christianity and all christians are sick" no you would say these are just bad people. the us is a christian nation and had over 250,000 sexual assaults (this includes rape) in one year alone and you want to point your fingers at a others? theres a lot of promblems we need to fix here before you start claiming to be better than anyone else.
Yes I am talking of bad people called muslims. This in Saudi and where mecca is situated your most holy site hence this should be your most holy nation too.
If xians did this I would have the same outrage. How can you justify the mentality brought on by your religion that would condemn 15 girls to a fiery death simply for a dress code? I mean get real, fire is hot, you just want to get away. In most cultures, they would get a pass for that breaking of the rules but there it is so freaking intolerant that something like this happened. Any fireman or cop in the USA would be held up for manslaughter if they did this, in Saudi however, they get a free pass as they were upholding the religious law of islam.
You do not even have to try and divert the attention away from islamic brutality by telling us that there were so many assaults elsewhere in the world. Your ilk are sick and it is high time you reformed your religion.
Oh and I am better than your religion because I treat women with equal respect. Your lame attempts to ignore these real issues that exist in your culture makes your religion even more detestable.
When your men rape an innocent woman like what happened in Egypt, do they not commit adultery? that according to your traditions carries the death penalty. Why do we NEVER hear of men being executed for these crimes? It is always the woman's fault.
From that alone we can conclude that most if not all muslim males are sexual perverts.
Secret coded messages are being embedded into child pornographic images, and paedophile websites are being exploited as a secure way of passing information between terrorists.
British security services are also aware of the trend and believe that it requires further investigation to improve understanding of terrorists’ methods and mindsets. Concerns within the Metropolitan Police led to a plan to run a pilot research project exploring the nature of the link. One source familiar with the proposal said that this could eventually lead to the training of child welfare experts to identify signs of terrorist involvement as they monitor pornographic sites.
Concerns have already been expressed at Cabinet minister level about the risk of vulnerable Muslim youths being exploited by older men
Yes I am talking of bad people called muslims. This in Saudi and where mecca is situated your most holy site hence this should be your most holy nation too.
If xians did this I would have the same outrage. How can you justify the mentality brought on by your religion that would condemn 15 girls to a fiery death simply for a dress code? I mean get real, fire is hot, you just want to get away. In most cultures, they would get a pass for that breaking of the rules but there it is so freaking intolerant that something like this happened. Any fireman or cop in the USA would be held up for manslaughter if they did this, in Saudi however, they get a free pass as they were upholding the religious law of islam.
You do not even have to try and divert the attention away from islamic brutality by telling us that there were so many assaults elsewhere in the world. Your ilk are sick and it is high time you reformed your religion.
Oh and I am better than your religion because I treat women with equal respect. Your lame attempts to ignore these real issues that exist in your culture makes your religion even more detestable.
When your men rape an innocent woman like what happened in Egypt, do they not commit adultery? that according to your traditions carries the death penalty. Why do we NEVER hear of men being executed for these crimes? It is always the woman's fault.
From that alone we can conclude that most if not all muslim males are sexual perverts.
Secret coded messages are being embedded into child pornographic images, and paedophile websites are being exploited as a secure way of passing information between terrorists.
British security services are also aware of the trend and believe that it requires further investigation to improve understanding of terrorists’ methods and mindsets. Concerns within the Metropolitan Police led to a plan to run a pilot research project exploring the nature of the link. One source familiar with the proposal said that this could eventually lead to the training of child welfare experts to identify signs of terrorist involvement as they monitor pornographic sites.
Concerns have already been expressed at Cabinet minister level about the risk of vulnerable Muslim youths being exploited by older men
Yeah, the religion of peace and morality
Bad people are of all religions. Bad people are bad people. And just because they live in the holy place does not make them holy. They make themselves holy and its obvious they are not the holiest muslims because they do what they do over there. But to be fair, judge a religion by the religion. And the whole ordeal about a raped woman getting stoned is not part of the religion. Muhammad didn't preach and allaah did not say to kill or stone a woman that got raped therefore your just judging people which should be judged but to say that they are the way they are because they claim to be muslim is not fair to others in that religion.
Bad people are of all religions. Bad people are bad people. And just because they live in the holy place does not make them holy.
We are talking of religious police sanctioned by the govenment and enforcing strict adherence to codes of islam, we are not talking secular people as secular peole cannot exist in Saudi unless they are ex pats interned in special camps.
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They make themselves holy and its obvious they are not the holiest muslims because they do what they do over there.
To be a religious cop, you need to be a devout muslim.
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But to be fair, judge a religion by the religion. And the whole ordeal about a raped woman getting stoned is not part of the religion.
Then why do they do it? It is in the qu'ran is it not. The old jewish laws are similar, you lot just have taken it to the literal extreme.
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Muhammad didn't preach and allaah did not say to kill or stone a woman that got raped therefore your just judging people which should be judged but to say that they are the way they are because they claim to be muslim is not fair to others in that religion.
It probably is not fair to moderate muslims like the ones we have here in SA. However, these are aspects one cannot ignore.
This barbarism occurs not only in Saudi but many other countries. One need only google to see the amount of atrocities carried out in islam's name. The atrocities have one common factor, they are all muslims doing these things. this is what happens when the government and religion are not separate.
Of course there are moderates like the king of Jordan but maybe that is because his mother was an English woman and brought a bit of civilization to that country, The current king's wife is westernized and you can see pics of her on the internet, she is beautiful.
Now if this was the norm and not the brutality we see most of the time, then maybe you would have a leg to stand on.
This type of image is what you want us to believe in but the reality is this.
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