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Ancient_warrior, you're still stuck in "neutral". No, there need not be a consistent entity called "time". You Christians are regularly guilty of claiming there was/is highly variable "God time" [one of God's years equals a 1000 man-years! That's how He did Genesis!"] and then you, right here, claim time is a constant, or that it's passage [i.e.: being ""engaged" and measurable] was functional before the singularity. I'd suggest you look up "singularity", since it allows for "no time" before it's engagement. The gear's selected, but the clutch is not yet released! Simple.
As to your "two choice" limitations, again: sorry. I won't bother to go there, since you've made your mind up in order to remain faithful to the Christian faith, which has pretty much been proven to be a dimensionally limited construct of a very limited peasant mentality. Fact is, there may be an infinite number of dimensions and degrees of freedom.
Suggestion? Go do a course in introductory quantum physics, and stop reading that silly bible as a science text!
Well, have a good'n! Enjoy your limited world view, but just soz you know: there's a whole lot more out there you could be enjoying and learning if you'd dump the artificial barriers fencing you in right now.
(I do realize, however, that sheep do require fencing... it's for their own good I suppose. Keeps the intellectual wolves away...)
Originally Posted by KCfromNC
So you're saying all huge things must have been made by something more powerful? I guess your god was created by something bigger than it as well.
you have the right to guess as much as you like but not me thanks
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Or maybe your god is really small. Either way, you give us no reason to worship it - on one hand, there's a bigger god who created your god who we should worship,
Or you are just guessing
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and on the other you've admitted your god is small and insignificant, since if it were big and powerful like the universe, it too would need a creator.
What ?? I admitted my god is small ??
don't you know that liars go to hell
Could you show me where please ?
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So really, what's your point here? Are you looking to deconvert and want our moral support or what?
Me me me .. i know the answer ... you are guessing again
No, it is someone exhibiting something that you seem to lack. A mind that questions instead of blindly accepting and is capable of independent thought.
Originally Posted by WonderingWanderer Squall-Lionheart, I may have missed the answer somewhere. Have you stated what the first thing to exist was?
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Originally Posted by WonderingWanderer Squall-Lionheart, I may have missed the answer somewhere. Have you stated what the first thing to exist was?
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Originally Posted by squall-lionheart
We will get to that soon .
Don't you worry we are on the wright way
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Originally Posted by Arjay51
Get there as soon as someone else tells you? After all, it appears that this religion of yours provides no true answers.
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Originally Posted by squall-lionheart
WonderingWanderer ... is that you ?!!!!
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No, it is someone exhibiting something that you seem to lack. A mind that questions instead of blindly accepting and is capable of independent thought.
So Why did you interfere ??
I was not talking to you ... sorry
Allah did it - Evidence: 1600 year old goat herder mumblings
Observations
Telescope, scientific measurements and calculations show expanding universe, lots of pretty pictures from the Hubble space telescope, radio telescopes data to images, accurate aging of moon rocks, billions of years in the making etc.
Superstition, lack of use of intellect, belief in archaic non scientific mumblings of dead illiterate prophet, holding onto ancient culture not really known for science acumen, all happened in 6 literal days etc.
Now that is not intirely true....Scientist assume the Universe is expanding...only because of what they precieve to be movement away from X....Does not mean it is expanding in any way.
There is movement...Yes...and it seems to be moving outwards...Yes?...well we cannot say for sure, because we do not see the whole universe ...we only see what can be seen from X.
Is it expanding or is it moving towards something we cannot see...?
Perhaps we are no longer seeing things with a full correct perspective, from a true correct perspective point?
Biblical information is stating that the universe or heavens will roll up like a scroll....so the two ends of it, turning in a spiral motion....and condensing into two connected and condensed parts....we are only seeing or measuring with feeble optics the connection between the two condensations.
For example let the 0 be the condensed part we do not see..and the _ be the connection between them....You would see this if the perspective was correct.... 0_ _ _0....in likeness of a scroll....two parts..the greator Good...and the other, opposite it....and the one, then becomes two parts,(multiplied out) as a multiple of the one...and the line of connection is what We are in....and from what we are in...these two parts take from and estates, and the living or the dead or both...to make more on either end or make none on this place..perhaps...perhaps not...But as it still is connected we have a chance to see it through that mindset...God and Christ are collecting life...and moving it, and saving it....we the people who do not know, or are being decieved, or mislead...will eventually understand....the greator Good are wanted by God, to make the two parts rendition of his creation...one side the greator of the other?
or by splitting the Good and the Bad...into seperate groups...the compliant and non compliant?....and from that we will have enough proof to say in that Day of awaking...that God and his way is the best way for all life concerned...and if we practice it here and now....we will move towards one end of the spectrum or the other,.. or the other??...Either way we will meet our destany...the greator Good of God will pervail...and life will continue to go on...and God will continue to take what he wants..and put it in its rightful Place..
But we only see the line : _ because we are in that or contained in that straignt line of space and light, it is benting on either side out of sight and out of mind into the red and bluse and other shifts we cannot see into....can we see the bent or curved red and blue light to some degree?...well we do have red shift and blue * which only tells part of the story.....so we cannot see around the curve to any great degree on either end..from this perspective point....but we were told about it...in scripture.
Perspective...it makes things more tangable when we have the right , or full perspective!
Life Sciences are restrictively feeble, Blind, and assuming pratices..of mumble jumblors,.. trying to make coherant sense of something they know very little about....and because they have word of merit in scripture to say exactly what is going on out there, and right here!....they try to repute it, and mislead with bad perspectives...to lead the blind in the wrong directions, by saying things that might be , in part, but are not proven to be as they claim it is fully!
It is all theory and math based on what they think they know and what they precieve to be, as they see it..from a limited perspective point...because they do not believe in the Truth which has been given already to us before we started believing in our own mumble Jumblings!
Building on faulty Knowledge/Ground = A lone blind man knows his own house is on faulty ground, thinking it is stable... in error...because once he has lived in it for long enough...what is,and what should be, and what was, is always there in a certain light..?.. where it was left? or built...unless someone or something moves something out of order, or changes something and does not tell the Blind man of what has been moved or removed...while he was away...
Now if the blind man cannot see the change that occured, and goes on believing his house is there, or the thing in the house is there...and the one who changed something says to the blind man, it is no longer as you claim it is....cause I changed something... or..It has been known to be built on unstable land from before you owned the house.
...Can the blind man say this is not true? and that his house is still there?, or the thing in it is still there?...if it has been moved or changement of its place has come to pass?...only going on what he knows to be true, as it always was...for his short time living in it, and saying I know it...and it is there...anymore?
No the blind mans knowledge becomes in error of the new found truth of what is.
This is the same for sciencetist and mumble Jumble truth they proclaim...being Blind to the truth...the truth is always true...and cannot change..even if someone moves or changes something.
And truth corrects error...So God Gave us words of truth....it is how we accept and comply and act out those truths, or do not act out them...that makes one end or the other end of the scroll.
The blind man can only walk so far in error.
About the creation....If a sequencal equations of two things cometogether in a certain way, with a certain amount of expression and intelligence added in to make these two parts come together....and the resulting coming together took seconds of time to do...which then resulted in a controlled and unfolding universe....the creation of it only took seconds to do...the act of making life out of those simple seconds...are still unfolding...but let us say in six days after the initial creation...Life was born from it....who could repute it? and how can it be done...if the ones reputing it were not there to behold it?.....
Matter and Anti-matter..Mixed with the Love of God...and in part with his own blood sweat and tears no doubt there...eh?...what would come of it?
Ah ha...that is the Genesis of Life....one day is equal to a thousand Years...and a thousand years is equal to a day of Judgement...when all things God made..are put to the test.
And we all know there are Good people, and living things in the chain of Life...and there are bad People and things in the chain of life....Here.
Wonder why that is?
Maybe because People have stopped listening to God ?..and the chain of command is broken...and all the living things have now gone astray too...and they are now plotting our destruction...because we are in error...and have always been in error...
Maybe our error helps make the truth stronger, and more pronounced ...in a odd way opposites are necessary to make what God made...and in order for truth to be Paramount in the making...error was known to be.
So humans have error built into them....the deciding factor is...What we do in terms of Good and Bad....what God asked we do to achieve a hight place in it all.....and what is being done to stop us......
Now if we take the Genesis...it is a codex of a certain sequencing, if you count out the life of those born into sin...That lived according to God's word and will...some of them were taken....as it says.
And this sequencing is in the bible....but it does not make perfect sense..for it is not the one who lived according to God's word persay that is taken, but the one born there after in some cases.
So a certain equation is being mapped out by time, over action, and resolve...the end resulting factor born into the new one....and taken.
This is not hard to understand...for the same equation rings true with the creation...rotation in time..and the collection of X Y Z....Same equation!
Now that is not intirely true....Scientist assume the Universe is expanding...only because of what they precieve to be movement away from X....Does not mean it is expanding in any way.
There is movement...Yes...and it seems to be moving outwards...Yes?...well we cannot say for sure, because we do not see the whole universe ...we only see what can be seen from X.
Is it expanding or is it moving towards something we cannot see...?
Perhaps we are no longer seeing things with a full correct perspective, from a true correct perspective point?
Biblical information is stating that the universe or heavens will roll up like a scroll....so the two ends of it, turning in a spiral motion....and condensing into two connected and condensed parts....we are only seeing or measuring with feeble optics the connection between the two condensations.
For example let the 0 be the condensed part we do not see..and the _ be the connection between them....You would see this if the perspective was correct.... 0_ _ _0....in likeness of a scroll....two parts..the greator Good...and the other, opposite it....and the one, then becomes two parts,(multiplied out) as a multiple of the one...and the line of connection is what We are in....and from what we are in...these two parts take from and estates, and the living or the dead or both...to make more on either end or make none on this place..perhaps...perhaps not...But as it still is connected we have a chance to see it through that mindset...God and Christ are collecting life...and moving it, and saving it....we the people who do not know, or are being decieved, or mislead...will eventually understand....the greator Good are wanted by God, to make the two parts rendition of his creation...one side the greator of the other?
or by splitting the Good and the Bad...into seperate groups...the compliant and non compliant?....and from that we will have enough proof to say in that Day of awaking...that God and his way is the best way for all life concerned...and if we practice it here and now....we will move towards one end of the spectrum or the other,.. or the other??...Either way we will meet our destany...the greator Good of God will pervail...and life will continue to go on...and God will continue to take what he wants..and put it in its rightful Place..
But we only see the line : _ because we are in that or contained in that straignt line of space and light, it is benting on either side out of sight and out of mind into the red and bluse and other shifts we cannot see into....can we see the bent or curved red and blue light to some degree?...well we do have red shift and blue * which only tells part of the story.....so we cannot see around the curve to any great degree on either end..from this perspective point....but we were told about it...in scripture.
Perspective...it makes things more tangable when we have the right , or full perspective!
Life Sciences are restrictively feeble, Blind, and assuming pratices..of mumble jumblors,.. trying to make coherant sense of something they know very little about....and because they have word of merit in scripture to say exactly what is going on out there, and right here!....they try to repute it, and mislead with bad perspectives...to lead the blind in the wrong directions, by saying things that might be , in part, but are not proven to be as they claim it is fully!
It is all theory and math based on what they think they know and what they precieve to be, as they see it..from a limited perspective point...because they do not believe in the Truth which has been given already to us before we started believing in our own mumble Jumblings!
Building on faulty Knowledge/Ground = A lone blind man knows his own house is on faulty ground, thinking it is stable... in error...because once he has lived in it for long enough...what is,and what should be, and what was, is always there in a certain light..?.. where it was left? or built...unless someone or something moves something out of order, or changes something and does not tell the Blind man of what has been moved or removed...while he was away...
Now if the blind man cannot see the change that occured, and goes on believing his house is there, or the thing in the house is there...and the one who changed something says to the blind man, it is no longer as you claim it is....cause I changed something... or..It has been known to be built on unstable land from before you owned the house.
...Can the blind man say this is not true? and that his house is still there?, or the thing in it is still there?...if it has been moved or changement of its place has come to pass?...only going on what he knows to be true, as it always was...for his short time living in it, and saying I know it...and it is there...anymore?
No the blind mans knowledge becomes in error of the new found truth of what is.
This is the same for sciencetist and mumble Jumble truth they proclaim...being Blind to the truth...the truth is always true...and cannot change..even if someone moves or changes something.
And truth corrects error...So God Gave us words of truth....it is how we accept and comply and act out those truths, or do not act out them...that makes one end or the other end of the scroll.
The blind man can only walk so far in error.
About the creation....If a sequencal equations of two things cometogether in a certain way, with a certain amount of expression and intelligence added in to make these two parts come together....and the resulting coming together took seconds of time to do...which then resulted in a controlled and unfolding universe....the creation of it only took seconds to do...the act of making life out of those simple seconds...are still unfolding...but let us say in six days after the initial creation...Life was born from it....who could repute it? and how can it be done...if the ones reputing it were not there to behold it?.....
Matter and Anti-matter..Mixed with the Love of God...and in part with his own blood sweat and tears no doubt there...eh?...what would come of it?
Ah ha...that is the Genesis of Life....one day is equal to a thousand Years...and a thousand years is equal to a day of Judgement...when all things God made..are put to the test.
And we all know there are Good people, and living things in the chain of Life...and there are bad People and things in the chain of life....Here.
Wonder why that is?
Maybe because People have stopped listening to God ?..and the chain of command is broken...and all the living things have now gone astray too...and they are now plotting our destruction...because we are in error...and have always been in error...
Maybe our error helps make the truth stronger, and more pronounced ...in a odd way opposites are necessary to make what God made...and in order for truth to be Paramount in the making...error was known to be.
So humans have error built into them....the deciding factor is...What we do in terms of Good and Bad....what God asked we do to achieve a hight place in it all.....and what is being done to stop us......
Now if we take the Genesis...it is a codex of a certain sequencing, if you count out the life of those born into sin...That lived according to God's word and will...some of them were taken....as it says.
And this sequencing is in the bible....but it does not make perfect sense..for it is not the one who lived according to God's word persay that is taken, but the one born there after in some cases.
So a certain equation is being mapped out by time, over action, and resolve...the end resulting factor born into the new one....and taken.
This is not hard to understand...for the same equation rings true with the creation...rotation in time..and the collection of X Y Z....Same equation!
Also that in a matter antimatter experement of this nature...even under great control....Rouge elementals of non participants in the word of God, will come to be...as is with all things...error seems to be in, only because Humans have listened to something that has underminded their true destiny...and the return to Eden , and or multiplying that out here...to make more for all the living things God made Good.
Now tending and Keeping the Garden is paramount in this day and age...while it is being polluted, intoxicated with vile, and turned into a Bio hazardious estate for all Living things....
Do you see the opposite forming?...the sequencing fails because humans cannot understand the instructions!
And because of the rouge elementals running things to ruin in this day and age...saying it is allowable.....Some one who loves us dearly , has to interact, and Save some.
And where are they being placed?...Jesus said when on the cross they nailed him to..."SEE I AM MAKING ALL THINGS NEW"....this is the other end of the scroll?
And the two ends are in union with eachother...and what is inbetween them is this place we are on...and in this place all is being done in accordance to God?...and or to the opposite of GOD?......in some way shape or form....with the IDOL of engraven Images.....and it has been so for a long time...and it seems normal now...(Faulty Ground)...and it makes the rich...and the poor, destitute, crime, and sin along with it....Just as Jesus said...wonder why?
Thou shall have no other God (demigod) before thy God...no ingraven imaged thing made more important than he...the one true God.
And that is where the sequencing has failed in the house...something has changed...and the thing that makes the ground holy, and sound, and stable, and giving..(Plant) has been removed, reputed, refused, and prohibited from our lands....wonder why?
Climatizing the planet naturally...would cut the need for some fuels...and it would bring about more living things...which God asked we do...and Jesus said to...take care of the living!
So this can continue onwards untill it is completed.....EDENS....which would be the multiple of EDEN...and this could be brought to the universe...by our hand with God's own instructions being true!
But it is underminded by that IDOL, and the ones who do not want anyone to make a differing system of sharing and caring in good presteen health what God said he has given us all......I Give you everything.....that is sharing!
ANd if we come to be like God in any way shape or form......Sharing would be the essense of perfection....and making more would be the standard...and when we achieve that ideal...it should spread rapidly into the universe...because the living things that are not Human...would understand us as being caretakers of the Garden...and they would in turn work with us..Perhaps??? ..in time...with God, and Christ Jesus to do so!
That is a possibility...the rouge elementals do not want you to have part in restoring EDEN or making more EDENS of self suffient estates of true freedom....because they can only see Profits and gains in this futile heavily taxed and idolized estate they have made on error.....and many are sick, and suffering because of it....and now more wars, and corruption is being born under it...and the planet is becoming unlivable in any healthy and presteen estate..if you think of it further on up the road......while they say...it is within allowable measures, day after day, year after year, century after century..(woe to them who harm the earth)....and by the tonn it is distributed into the earth..to pollute her more so today, than Yesterday....wonder why?
So it is also said in scripture..that this road is on its way to its own destruction...the beast...the thing sipping the dead blood...and the nations are drunk on it.....YES?
I see it...Do you?
And so all this Prophetic scripture was written before hand, way back in time...and Yet we in this time line are the very Beast it speaks of...if we own a car , or take the planes, or boats..trains and other inventions of pollution that use fossil fuels...which are drived from the dead things.....sipping the blood of the saints?....Surely!
And that is because they refuse to let people have a truth safe and sound connection to the sun....with a simple plant...told to not touch...but they have to sow and grow for it to be in the garden, from where it was once taken through disobediance!!!...in order to make the planet stable, and climatized over time...
Cutting the cost and need for fossil fuels to nil....becuase ethanol is clean burning and can be derived from Plants....we can all grow!
Solar power...another way to free up the cost of living...which they do not want you to have....the means to make your own estate, with out taxes...with out billing...with out the need for leadership...for God is paramount...and the Garden would prosper more with Hydroponics in toe..making more for more to live....and doing it right...keeping it clean...simple..and something we all can do...SOWING SEEDS...of all kinds back into the earth...to make it more climate friendly and presteen for all living things....and feed the living things in the chain of life with....befriending them..learning from them...and then...God will help us!
For the master builder would be well pleased that his people finally understand the equation...right?
And if God has given everyting to us....what are we fighting for?...there is more than just this place....and that they are Given too...makes this estate of slavery under that IDOL a bit retarded....
But there it is...the beast...and if you try to rise up against the beast...they will nail you to a stick...or something along those lines?
Ancient_warrior, you're still stuck in "neutral". No, there need not be a consistent entity called "time". You Christians are regularly guilty of claiming there was/is highly variable "God time" [one of God's years equals a 1000 man-years! That's how He did Genesis!"] and then you, right here, claim time is a constant, or that it's passage [i.e.: being ""engaged" and measurable] was functional before the singularity. I'd suggest you look up "singularity", since it allows for "no time" before it's engagement. The gear's selected, but the clutch is not yet released! Simple.
As to your "two choice" limitations, again: sorry. I won't bother to go there, since you've made your mind up in order to remain faithful to the Christian faith, which has pretty much been proven to be a dimensionally limited construct of a very limited peasant mentality. Fact is, there may be an infinite number of dimensions and degrees of freedom.
Suggestion? Go do a course in introductory quantum physics, and stop reading that silly bible as a science text!
Well, have a good'n! Enjoy your limited world view, but just soz you know: there's a whole lot more out there you could be enjoying and learning if you'd dump the artificial barriers fencing you in right now.
(I do realize, however, that sheep do require fencing... it's for their own good I suppose. Keeps the intellectual wolves away...)
There may be other dimensions...But Humans can only exist in one of them...the one we were truly made to exist in.
Surely the one we want to live in may not be the right one...as some will do as they please to please themselves...it may confront others to form against you and your will and words and actions.
But if we take heedful warning or instruction as to what is best for all living things...the table gets bigger..and more alternate idiologies need to be expressed examined, and understud on many other levels of Mind.
That is where God is coming from...a very large table of understanding and Love...which is a dimension of its own.
To say there is no God time....from where you're standing it is only a day.(Fenced into to lies saying it is free)..But for the sun to go round the center of the galaxy, and then the galaxy do whatever circuit it is on to complete...may take 1000 years to complete.....Where is that perspective point coming from?
The time it takes God to travel from X to Y...Might be the age of expression given.?..or the time it takes this world to mover around the circle of stupidity now ruling it, and make a change to a better way of life...the age?...coming full circle with the word of God...and in doing it right?...or wrong? to prove or disprove...to right the wrongs, correct the errors..etc...and then coming to that begining point in time where it all started.....to either gain blessing, or more wrath to make that change occur....
Take it or leave it....it takes time for light to travel in any direction..in this known universe....and its point of origin is always from something that either is, or was...but it is never light coming from what will be?..or is that also in error...for we all know what is coming...and it cannot be stopped if we continue down the road that makes it possible!...our own destruction!....as it has no light to shine until it is born...or unborn...depending on perspective point.
But there is one oddity in the heavens where something coming into view, and or is being born...that is contained by a circle of suns...seems to be forming a human form in Just such a way....something giving off light, yet it is not yet come into being....fantastic as it sounds...Jesus said he was coming again...in the same way he left...?...no with the Glory of God!
So in the head, If I think of something along those lines.....and form it out in my mind with equational factors...does it reflect or create light in the reality it is being fanthomed in?
No? or Yes?...If I imagine all the possibilites and factor in the unknowns to gain foresight...and I make that a possibility of being what I want it to be.....then is it Born or only concieved in my mind?...and if I utter it out into the unknown space...would it come to pass as being so if it is truthfully possible?
And only until it is made...can it be made known to others, in a contextual way shape and form, and working model...right?
So God watched them kill his son...and God wanted them to do it..some would say?..or knew they would do it...to silence the truth....But what they did not know...was God was proving he had the power to raise his son back to life.
That is the message we all forgotten..(Life out of death which we are all born into)...If we are sinless and do as God has asked we do..and restore and tend to the Garden...no matter what befalls us...we stand clear of sin and evil....as best we can...with out doing sin of any kind....even onto them who sin and do evil onto us....but that we do good always....and we put back waht wwwas taken in disobediance to restore the true Kingdom of God!
That is what Jesus did...for his father...and so his father who was God...brought him Back to life, and showed those who listened...so it would be known throughout time itself...that God is God...and God does not want us disobediant....and he is working on a plans to show us how futile the system we are now born into is....as it is now destroying the Earth for profits and gains in nothing but a pile of junk and garbage piles full of shameful and disrespectful people!
And this system isn't going to last very much longer...scientifically speaking, because we cannot function as humans in a polluted estate very well....and it is only getting worse!...nor can the living things we need to have life here with be of a good enough source of food, if they are polluted to....So eventually it destroys itself....right?
Now it is not only polluted, but irradiated more so today...so decay is increasing as we speak!...meaning time is growing shorter!
THe longer they play with that nuclear stuff...the more everything will decay in time!
Time...it is relivant to only those who measure it....and the means to measure that we use to tell time needs to be adjusted periodically to account for that alternate decay rates we are now being born into!
So to say anyone or anything other than God, has a real grasp on time...is a liar!
There may be other dimensions...But Humans can only exist in one of them...the one we were truly made to exist in.
Humans only exist in one dimension? Which dimension is that?
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