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Old 03-19-2011, 02:02 PM
 
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ancient warrior: So matter and energy existed before God? Rather makes God superfluous, doesn't it?

"The two most common elements in the Universe are hydrogen and stupidity" - Flaubert
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Old 03-19-2011, 02:06 PM
 
Location: Toronto, ON
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The answer to the question is simple. First everything existed from the beginning of time till the end. Then specific things had their sequence here and there.
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Old 03-19-2011, 02:39 PM
 
Location: Oregon
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What???!! God didn't create matter and energy???
(I'm going to bet that you'll find some here that will disagree heartily with you on this)
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If matter and energy are eternal, God disn't "create" them.

If matter and energy are not eternal, then God (or some other force) created them.
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Old 03-19-2011, 02:41 PM
 
Location: Oregon
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ancient warrior: So matter and energy existed before God? Rather makes God superfluous, doesn't it?

"The two most common elements in the Universe are hydrogen and stupidity" - Flaubert
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Both of your statements are correct.
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Old 03-19-2011, 03:06 PM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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If matter and energy are eternal, God disn't "create" them.

If matter and energy are not eternal, then God (or some other force) created them.
So who, or what created god?
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Old 03-19-2011, 05:50 PM
 
Location: The land where cats rule
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If you are an atheist then what is the first thing that exist .. ever ?
From my point of view, me.
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Old 03-19-2011, 07:21 PM
 
Location: planet octupulous is nearing earths atmosphere
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what is the first thing that exist ? the monolith.!!! it has always been and always was.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y15NnGZIBuM
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Old 03-20-2011, 07:59 AM
 
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So who, or what created god?
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I am an atheist, and I don't know, but I will posit that you don't know either.

But, I do have a guess. I think that the multiverse (note I did not say universe) just "is" and does not lie on our universe's time continuum
Scientists said that human minde can only understand from prevews experience (pictures, numbers, words etc ) even if it was only imaginary one .. experience that found in our perception mind !!
So upon that fact do human kind have any knowledge or prevews experience about something like that ?
No .. so how do you expect from us to understand something that we don't have a clue on ?
Human mind and imagination has limits,the unable to understand something does not mean it didt hapen or it's not there .

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We don't know! Presumably you do...so give us a clue.
You know what really amaze me !!
It's you're admitting that you dont know .. yet when it comes to god you all of a sudden seems to know that "god does not exist" !!
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Old 03-20-2011, 09:02 AM
 
Location: Valencia, Spain
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You know what really amaze me !!
It's you're admitting that you dont know .. yet when it comes to god you all of a sudden seems to know that "god does not exist" !!
Nope! Not surprisingly, you are wong yet again. I don't know whether gods exist or not but, based on the lack of objective, verifiable evidence for them, it is my belief that they do not. There is a huge difference between believing and knowing...or don't you know that?
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Old 03-20-2011, 10:03 AM
 
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Nope! Not surprisingly, you are wong yet again. I don't know whether gods exist or not but, based on the lack of objective, verifiable evidence for them, it is my belief that they do not. There is a huge difference between believing and knowing...or don't you know that?
Fare enough ... so you only believe in things that you could see or hear .. etc? (Tangible things )
Am i right ?
P.S : I really hope that you understand that i don't want to debate or argue with any one here .. its just that i do care & i want the best for all of us .
its all for LOVE .

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