More evidence of evolution..or...another nail in the creation and ID coffin (believer, Earth)

[dobeable]

Originally Posted by lifertexan

If you wish to relate something causing physical movement of objects to ....whatever you think God has done,I guess.The physical movements are measurable and verifiable though,and require no faith.

And no,dark energy and dark matter are not the same.Related,but not identical.

yeah i understand a little that its dark matter that is pushing the galaxys further away,but as far as dark energy is concerned their is no physical evidence presentable for it ,yet they strongly believe it is there,i think it goes to show that their is still alot about this universe that is yet to be discovered,especially in the terms of quantim physic's and reality.

[lifertexan]

Originally Posted by Me Winslow

Of course it requires faith.
dark matter or dark energy are just theories but none the less point to an unknown source of energy.
No different than an unkown source of energy that people call God and use stories to explain the energies influences on matter.

Believing the measurements of physical movements in the universe requires faith?How so?

[lifertexan]

Originally Posted by dobeable

yeah i understand a little that its dark matter that is pushing the galaxys further away,but as far as dark energy is concerned their is no physical evidence presentable for it ,yet they strongly believe it is there,i think it goes to show that their is still alot about this universe that is yet to be discovered,especially in the terms of quantim physic's and reality.

But it is inferred by the motions of the universe.Like I said,if you can detect something being pushed and pulled,it stands to reason that something is causing it,even if you can't see it.It isn't imaginary.

[Me Winslow]

Originally Posted by lifertexan

Believing the measurements of physical movements in the universe requires faith?How so?

Beleiving in the unkown source of energy.
I would call it God.
Don't bother with the religious attacks.

[lifertexan]

Originally Posted by Me Winslow

Beleiving in the unkown source of energy.
I would call it God.
Don't bother with the religious attacks.

OK then,although I actually said it requires no faith to believe in the measurements,let's take it further,If you have proof of the measurements,then why does it require faith to believe that something is causing them?Dark matter and dark energy are just names,like John Doe,that scientists give to the yet unnamed cause of those measurements.But the measurements are there,so why insist it takes faith to believe in the cause of those measurable movements?

[freerunner]

Originally Posted by dobeable

wow thats so much proof that i think ill become an atheist myself,you know those types of religious folk that like to push their beleifs,well there is a few of those around here too that aint so religious,you cant prove ziltch m8 so why even bother pushin those 'beleifs'of yours on those who want to understand that their is more to life than just what your imperfect senses can pick up on.you'll have o do better than that..p.s. are you saying that every ghost experience is just lies

"every ghost experience"? @@

[dobeable]

Originally Posted by lifertexan

But it is inferred by the motions of the universe.Like I said,if you can detect something being pushed and pulled,it stands to reason that something is causing it,even if you can't see it.It isn't imaginary.

so what's pushing and pulling all these people that feel that spiritual need inside them to be close to God,something causing it,it cant be seen but its there.

[dobeable]

Originally Posted by freerunner

"every ghost experience"? @@

i was just using an example that their are some real ghost experiences out there which would therefore imply that their is more to life than this physical body,in-fact the average old person would have gone through many bodys even in this life because cells are continuosly dying and been renewed,so the self is not this material body but something else,,,,,reincarnation is the transmigration of the soul from one body to another,it occures even in this lifetime.

[Me Winslow]

Originally Posted by lifertexan

OK then,although I actually said it requires no faith to believe in the measurements,let's take it further,If you have proof of the measurements,then why does it require faith to believe that something is causing them?Dark matter and dark energy are just names,like John Doe,that scientists give to the yet unnamed cause of those measurements.But the measurements are there,so why insist it takes faith to believe in the cause of those measurable movements?

The faith that people have is in their scientists more than that there is an unknown energy force.
As you said,there is a measurement persay.
The measurement is of movement not of the energy source itself.
So what is wrong with using the name God for the source of energy?

[Me Winslow]

Originally Posted by dobeable

so what's pushing and pulling all these people that feel that spiritual need inside them to be close to God,something causing it,it cant be seen but its there.

That would be people sensing the matter that they are made of that also has an unknown source of energy that holds the very smallest particles known to man together.