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Old 04-14-2011, 07:44 PM
 
Location: FROM Dixie, but IN SoCal
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When speaking of spiritual matters, it is often difficult to express oneself. Those faiths that are based (often) on a book of scripture of one sort or another (Christianity, Islam, Judaism, Scientology, Mormonism, Teachings of Don Juan, Baha'i, etc) tend to create a "one size fits all" religion. Most preach/teach obedience.......when to kneel, when to bow, when to pray, when to attend, when to fellowship.......Often, these days they even try to teach how to vote.

But when you talk about true spirituality, you can only talk about peripheral things. Talk about what the creator has taught you and you aren't understood....or people try to ritualize or codify it. And the message gets lost and misunderstood.....it can only be shared one on one.....often not even then.

I think ptsums effort was to try to prevent misinformation from being spread. the little hammer was trying to share his experience in the context of a comfortable faith and ritual. That is not real compatible, in my mind. What the OP wants is only available when he seeks one to teach him, person to person. It cannot be shared with writings.
Well-spoken, Goodpasture.
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Old 04-14-2011, 07:57 PM
 
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I agree, and well said. I am Christian, and I find that the rituals and writings can too easily obscure the spirituality if the focus begins to fall on them instead.

OP, I found your post and experience interesting, and I wish you a good journey as you seek this path further.

I agree %100. Listen to the spirit.
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Old 04-14-2011, 08:36 PM
 
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THis thread has re established my bond with the Raven. It brought back so many wonderful memories of that very special time in my life when I flew with the Raven. THank you for starting this thread. I really need to get a tatoo. srsly, I don't ever want to forget my baptism into Holy Spirit. God bless...
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Old 04-14-2011, 08:44 PM
 
Location: Log home in the Appalachians
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THis thread has re established my bond with the Raven. It brought back so many wonderful memories of that very special time in my life when I flew with the Raven. THank you for starting this thread. I really need to get a tatoo. srsly, I don't ever want to forget my baptism into Holy Spirit. God bless...
a-ga-la-yv-wi......
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Old 04-15-2011, 06:24 AM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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Thanks for bumpin the thread. I got baptized into the Holy Spirit and 9 months later I found the deity of Jesus, and in between that time I was a raven. I wore all black clothes and drove an all black early 80's souped up Monte Carlo. I was all about the raven. I was a raven. I let the raven inspire me and guide me because the Raven called to me in very profound ways. I almost got a tatoo of a Raven, and to be honest I kind of regret not doing it. I loved the raven that called to me. It was a special time for me.
You would be wise to read this New Age Frauds & Plastic Shamans
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Old 04-15-2011, 09:08 AM
 
Location: Washingtonville
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When speaking of spiritual matters, it is often difficult to express oneself. Those faiths that are based (often) on a book of scripture of one sort or another (Christianity, Islam, Judaism, Scientology, Mormonism, Teachings of Don Juan, Baha'i, etc) tend to create a "one size fits all" religion. Most preach/teach obedience.......when to kneel, when to bow, when to pray, when to attend, when to fellowship.......Often, these days they even try to teach how to vote.

But when you talk about true spirituality, you can only talk about peripheral things. Talk about what the creator has taught you and you aren't understood....or people try to ritualize or codify it. And the message gets lost and misunderstood.....it can only be shared one on one.....often not even then.

I think ptsums effort was to try to prevent misinformation from being spread. the little hammer was trying to share his experience in the context of a comfortable faith and ritual. That is not real compatible, in my mind. What the OP wants is only available when he seeks one to teach him, person to person. It cannot be shared with writings.
I am genuinly interested in knowing more about various Native American traditions. Ptsums suggested some things for me to do and I intend on following through with them. I haven't contacted anyone yet, I have very busy and want to be able to dedicate as much time as possible.

And I know that their traditions are sacred to them, that is why I was asking. I didn't want to have to filter out all the frauds. I figured there had to be someone on this forum that could lead me in the right direction.
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Old 04-15-2011, 09:09 AM
 
Location: Washingtonville
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You would be wise to read this New Age Frauds & Plastic Shamans
Thank you for sharing that. Great resource, but it looks to be a dead site.
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Old 04-15-2011, 12:15 PM
 
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a-ga-la-yv-wi......
LOL, I would love to know the translation...

Have a great weekend, all.
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Old 04-15-2011, 04:29 PM
 
Location: around the way
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You would be wise to read this New Age Frauds & Plastic Shamans
Oh god, Sun Bear. There's a name I haven't seen in a while. I was really into his stuff when I was around 12 or 13. It all started with a book or two that I got from some guy selling crystals and dreamcatchers from a kiosk in our local mall.

I shouldn't complain too much, though, because if it hadn't been for those books I'd probably never have gotten around to reading things like Black Elk Speaks, Lame Deer, etc. It's what got me thinking about belief systems other than Presbyterianism, so I suppose I owe that guy a debt of gratitude, no matter how cheesy he was...

Anyway, good link.
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Old 04-15-2011, 11:09 PM
 
Location: Washingtonville
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LOL, I would love to know the translation...

Have a great weekend, all.
Strangely enough I do know.
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