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If there is a god and hell, it's strange that the task of preventing people from having that fate be left to other people since there is just so much room for error. It's not like an angel comes to you and calmly explains th options to you. Consider a priest who is found to be a fraud who steals from the charity box, dodges taxes and molests children. That guy is going to put off a lot of Christians which may in turn switch religion or abandon it. If you are from a different religion and someone who is a jerk tries to convert you, you are much less likely to listen to the message than with someone who has better interpersonal skills. A complex set of circumstances will affect your view of a religion and it's just wrong to simply blame someone for how their views have turned out.
A perfect benevolent being simply wouldn't make such a flawed and circumstancial system. Salvation through faith is simply wrong.
If there is a god and hell, it's strange that the task of preventing people from having that fate be left to other people since there is just so much room for error. It's not like an angel comes to you and calmly explains th options to you. Consider a priest who is found to be a fraud who steals from the charity box, dodges taxes and molests children. That guy is going to put off a lot of Christians which may in turn switch religion or abandon it. If you are from a different religion and someone who is a jerk tries to convert you, you are much less likely to listen to the message than with someone who has better interpersonal skills. A complex set of circumstances will affect your view of a religion and it's just wrong to simply blame someone for how their views have turned out.
A perfect benevolent being simply wouldn't make such a flawed and circumstancial system. Salvation through faith is simply wrong.
Nice post (and I LOVE your status comment!! )
I also do not think that God (who is Love, imo) leaves man's eternal fate up to his finite understanding. If his fate were truly his own responsability, he would need to know both options first, and then decide.
Aisi, God made man imperfect (through Adam). Then He began to make man perfect again (through Christ).
So sooner or later, we will all become perfect, the way He wants us to be. No loss of life!
This thread is in the wrong section. My guess is that you are not interested in the opinions of atheists, but instead want a serious discussion
With that said God has made it easy to avoid hell. When offered, don't reject God's plan as found in John chapter 3.
John 3:36 says-Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life, but whoever rejects the Son will not see life, for God’s wrath remains on them.
Those who reject the offer. (Not talking about those who have never heard the offer. The Bible does not address those folk, so whatever is said is only speculation.) So the problem lies with the individual, not God.
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It is man's fault , if one did not want to be a part of the Kingdom of Heaven or we will say he wanted to be apart from God, than man got his wish and went to the alternative.
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If someone goes to Hell, they have failed themselves. It's always us who chooses to turn away from God, not God who turns away from us. And if we pray to God even in Hell we can always be brought up to Heaven for learning and healing so that we can be in the Light.
This is to you three: I see that to you avoiding eternal hell means co-operation with God and man. Correct? In hell we find people who did not do their part of the process. The weak point is man.
I started to think these things when I was child, and still now I think it is not fair to say that our eternal life will depend on our short life. For example 14 years old person is killed in car accident. Do you believe in reincarnation which gives more time to him for doing his part of the salvation?
If there is a god and hell, it's strange that the task of preventing people from having that fate be left to other people since there is just so much room for error.
Yes. Very strange.
Why not tell us himself? Is God that much of a risk taker with his creation?
With that said God has made it easy to avoid hell. When offered, don't reject God's plan as found in John chapter 3.
John 3:36 says-Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life, but whoever rejects the Son will not see life, for God’s wrath remains on them.
Those who reject the offer. (Not talking about those who have never heard the offer. The Bible does not address those folk, so whatever is said is only speculation.) So the problem lies with the individual, not God.
Don't you think a prerequisite to accepting or rejecting any offer is believing there ever was an offer in the first place?
You can't force yourself to believe something. If the whole thing is implausible to a person, then how is it their fault?
No probably not . . . they didn't believe the absurd and implausible nonsense spouted by the so-called representatives of God who have deliberately retained the ancient ignorance of our ancestors superstitious beliefs about God. They retained this ignorance as a sign of faith in the face of increasing knowledge and understanding of reality and the human condition. This deliberate ignorance has now become so completely obvious and implausible that more and more are being driven away from God by it.
No probably not . . . they didn't believe the absurd and implausible nonsense spouted by the so-called representatives of God who have deliberately retained the ancient ignorance of our ancestors superstitious beliefs about God. They retained this ignorance as a sign of faith in the face of increasing knowledge and understanding of reality and the human condition. This deliberate ignorance has now become so completely obvious and implausible that more and more are being driven away from God by it.
I thought you said Jesus delivered us from all that.
I thought you said Jesus delivered us from all that.
Jesus did . . . but the ignorant self-appointed religious leaders throughout the ages screwed it up by not understanding His unambiguous example and teaching. Most still haven't caught on.
I was not around to witness anything about Jesus for myself. Neither were you.
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Is God that much of a risk taker with his creation?
