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Old 04-28-2011, 10:20 AM
 
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Why? Because He does things you don't approve of or don't understand?
Frankly, he doesn't do anything because he doesn't exist. But if he did, I contend that it's you people that blindly worship that don't understand.
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Old 04-28-2011, 10:32 AM
 
Location: Detroit/South Korea
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I may see it as unethical from my, imperfect standpoint, but I cannot see it from His and neither can you. So, what gives any of us the right to sit in judgment of him? None of us are qualified to do so, are we? If so, HOW are we qualfied?
This is the classic cop out most christians like to use.

The good thing is when they use this excuse, it means something you said hit their moral fiber and they use this excuse as a way to ignore the obvious immoral actions of their god.
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Old 04-28-2011, 10:49 AM
 
Location: Texas
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This is the classic cop out most christians like to use.

The good thing is when they use this excuse, it means something you said hit their moral fiber and they use this excuse as a way to ignore the obvious immoral actions of their god.

Well, if you feel superior enough or moral enough to sit in judgment of others, especially God, please go right ahead.

I could quote the verse about specks and planks in eyes, but what would be the use?
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Old 04-28-2011, 11:08 AM
 
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Can you honestly say you're none of those? I can't.
No one is perfect but to say we're all sinners is pointless. We're simply all human with flaws.

I do have to point out though that your god created man in his own image supposedly. What does that say about your god? He's not a very good designer? He makes major gigantic mistakes in his creation, then blames his creation for it. That isn't a very logical god in my opinion.
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Old 04-28-2011, 11:13 AM
 
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Well, if you feel superior enough or moral enough to sit in judgment of others, especially God, please go right ahead.

I could quote the verse about specks and planks in eyes, but what would be the use?
I'm infinitely capable of sitting in moral judgment of an imaginary entity from a 2000 year old book of desert myths. Morals, after all, come from human beings, and your god was invented by ignorant, superstitious savages who were nevertheless humans. Since we invented the idea of god, we are well-suited to judge its supposed actions.
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Old 04-28-2011, 12:22 PM
 
Location: Detroit/South Korea
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Well, if you feel superior enough or moral enough to sit in judgment of others, especially God, please go right ahead.

I could quote the verse about specks and planks in eyes, but what would be the use?
Hey don't flip it on me if you don't have the stones to say what's obvious...the obvious being that under any other circumstance (one that is outside of your biased worldview), the actions done by god as described in your myth wouldn't be morally right.
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Old 04-28-2011, 12:37 PM
 
Location: The Port City is rising.
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I'm infinitely capable of sitting in moral judgment of an imaginary entity from a 2000 year old book of desert myths. Morals, after all, come from human beings, and your god was invented by ignorant, superstitious savages who were nevertheless humans. Since we invented the idea of god, we are well-suited to judge its supposed actions.

So if you start with the assumption that god does not exist, you can judge him to be immoral. That seems pointless.
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Old 04-28-2011, 12:41 PM
 
Location: The Port City is rising.
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"And, as in Isaiah, so Psalm 137 ends with this call for smashing to pieces the little ones of Babylon:

"O Babylon, you devastator,
Happy shall they be who pay
you back
what you have done to us!
Happy shall be they who take
your little ones
and dash them against the rock!"

I have relatives who survived auschwitz. I am sure some of them felt that way toward the Germans. I do not feel in the position to judge them for their feelings. The speakers in that Psalm are Jews who suffered horribly in 586 BCE. Their feelings are human.

The bible is the story of the spiritual journey of HUMANS, like us, toward G-d. It is moving and important BECAUSE of that.
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Old 04-28-2011, 12:43 PM
 
Location: The Port City is rising.
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The good thing is when they use this excuse, it means something you said hit their moral fiber and they use this excuse as a way to ignore the obvious immoral actions of their god.

Er, the moral fiber of believers (NOT NECESSARILY CHRISTIANS) was hit way back when the book of Job was written. Jews have been struggling with the injustice of the world and what that means for G-d for eons, without need for contributions from atheists, let alone from the current crop of shallow ones.
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Old 04-28-2011, 12:44 PM
 
Location: The Port City is rising.
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Frankly, he doesn't do anything because he doesn't exist. But if he did, I contend that it's you people that blindly worship that don't understand.
anyone who BLINDLY worships hasnt been paying attention to the works of Judaism.
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