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Old 04-27-2011, 03:48 PM
 
Location: Sierra Nevada Land, CA
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Oh pleeeease GldnRain. I've already debunked this on two earlier occasions. THEY ARE ALL EVANGELICAL CHRISTIANS.....GET IT?
Oh, yes. Can't trust them Christians. They read the Bible, research the history and end up believing that crap.

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What a surprise. The 'proof' once again turns out to be Tacitus, Josephus, Suetonius, the Talmud etc. When will these Christians give up on this tripe??

...and again! Josephus, Pliny, Tacitus, Suetonius.



[url="http://www.provethebible.net/T2-Divin/D-0201.htm"]Yep, you guessed it! Josephus, Pliny, Tacitus, Suetonius.
Sooo......

How many extrabiblical sources will do it for you?

Do you doubt that Plato existed?

http://www.dakotavoice.com/2008/03/d...-really-exist/
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Old 04-27-2011, 03:52 PM
 
Location: Valencia, Spain
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Oh, yes. Can't trust them Christians. They read the Bible, research the history and end up believing that crap.
No you're wrong, they don't research the history. That's the whole bloody problem.

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How many extrabiblical sources will do it for you?
Just one...provided it contains verifiable facts and not Bible apologetics

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Do you doubt that Plato existed?
Already been through this with you. Go check it out.
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Old 04-27-2011, 03:53 PM
 
Location: Sierra Nevada Land, CA
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What a surprise. The 'proof' once again turns out to be Tacitus, Josephus, Suetonius, the Talmud etc. When will these Christians give up on this tripe??
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Oh pleeeease GldnRain. You've already produced this nonsense on two previous occasions and it's no better now then it was then. THEY ARE ALL EVANGELICAL CHRISTIANS.....GET IT?
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No, we'd prefer you to use facts...wherever they come from.
Whatever you say. But you seem to be a bit selective about facts.

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Just one...provided it contains verifiable facts and not Bible apologetics

So historical writings by pagans won't do it for you either
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Old 04-27-2011, 04:00 PM
 
Location: Valencia, Spain
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Whatever you say. But you seem to be a bit selective about facts.
Not at all. The facts are the facts. I don't pick and choose them. The facts are there is no evidence for your Biblejesus or any other Jesus for that matter. Live with it.

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So historical writings by pagans won't do it for you either
Whether they are from Pagans or Christians is irrelevant. What is relevant is that they are factual. All you have given us in your links is the usual, million times debunked tripe regarding Josephus, Suetonius, Thallas et al.
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Old 04-27-2011, 04:07 PM
 
Location: Sierra Nevada Land, CA
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Non-christian website.

Quotations Relevant to Josephus' Jesus Account
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Old 04-27-2011, 04:08 PM
 
Location: Colorado
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Ok new one to me.. there are writings from the time of Jesus where people ACTUALLY( not hearsay from people who tells stories of others who saw him) saw or met him?
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Old 04-27-2011, 04:14 PM
 
Location: Colorado
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Josephus on Jesus | Forgery and Fraud? | Flavius Testimonium
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Old 04-27-2011, 04:22 PM
 
Location: Sierra Nevada Land, CA
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Ok new one to me.. there are writings from the time of Jesus where people ACTUALLY( not hearsay from people who tells stories of others who saw him) saw or met him?
There is a collection such accounts. Mark, Matthew and John. I know the skeptics will disagree, but the NT has been challeged since at least 1750 to no avail (despite what you read on the internet).

OK. I see we are at the point where both sides will cite links to support their case. There is plenty of stuff floating around on the internet. Some of it true. But at least you are taking the time to cite sources to support your POV.




Time to find another topic with which to stir the pot!
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Old 04-27-2011, 04:30 PM
 
Location: Colorado
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There is a collection such accounts. Mark, Matthew and John. I know the skeptics will disagree, but the NT has been challeged since at least 1750 to no avail (despite what you read on the internet).


OK. I see we are at the point where both sides will cite links to support their case. There is plenty of stuff floating around on the internet. Some of it true. But at least you are taking the time to cite sources to support your POV.




Time to find another topic with which to stir the pot!
I have read in several places that there are many contradictions in mark and such

New Testament Contradictions
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Old 04-27-2011, 04:30 PM
 
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Oh pleeeease GldnRain. You've already produced this nonsense on two previous occasions and it's no better now then it was then. THEY ARE ALL EVANGELICAL CHRISTIANS.....GET IT?
It's no different than if I put up links auguring that an embryo is the existence of a distinct, separate, human being...and you say. "But Gldn, THEY ARE ALL EMBRYOLOGISTS...GET IT?".

CHRISTians...arguing that Jesus (aka The CHRIST) existed...same thing. Get it?

Plus...I can always count on your reaction...and that alone is worth the effort to put it up again. You even broke out the "GldnRain"! FYI, I'm smiling with a slight chuckle right now as I type this.

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