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Old 04-28-2011, 06:38 AM
 
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Atheists always boast that they only believe in science and logic
well .. let's put that statement to the test
1 - Atheism violates the first law of Newton
The first law of Newton says that "an object at rest will stay at rest and an object in steady motion tends to stay in motion unless acted upon by an external force (static or dynamic)."
So there must be an external force that made the Big Bang to happen at that very moment and forced the universe to begin at that very moment.
2 - Atheism violates the first law of thermodynamics
Law of Conservation of energy or what is known as the first law of thermodynamics says ((matter/energy cannot be created nor can it be destroyed.)) If we contemplate in this law, we come to conclusion that the universe cannot exist. According to this law, the universe does not exist or it's present in the presence of the Creator.
3 - Atheism violates the second law of thermodynamics
The second law of thermodynamic says that the universe is now heading towards thermal death when the temperature of all organisms and particles becomes equal. So the universe as scientists say is heading toward disintegration, towards demolition, towards cooling and towards thermal death “thermal death of universe”, while atheism says that the universe is moving towards complexity and towards building a struggle to develop. So scholars consider the second law of thermodynamic to carry the end of Darwinism and selective evolution. And these are laws, not theories.. so the science on the side while atheism and Darwinism are completely on the other side .
The list contain 20 contradictions ..very interesting .. you should check it
Deep talk about atheism
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Old 04-28-2011, 06:46 AM
 
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so the thing is, the big bang was not an expansion into existing space.

TalkOrigins Archive: Exploring the Creation/Evolution Controversy has cataloged and answered common misconceptions about BBT, evolution, etc.
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Old 04-28-2011, 08:02 AM
 
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You're right, energy can neither be created or destroyed. Did you forget that it can be changed?
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Old 04-28-2011, 08:04 AM
 
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...or that science can't justify quantum physics with newtonian physics and is very up front and clear with that?

That's the difference between science and religion. Science ultimately admits it doesn't know everything and seeks to understand objectively.
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Old 04-28-2011, 08:34 AM
 
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3 - Atheism violates the second law of thermodynamics
The second law of thermodynamic says that the universe is now heading towards thermal death when the temperature of all organisms and particles becomes equal. So the universe as scientists say is heading toward disintegration, towards demolition, towards cooling and towards thermal death “thermal death of universe”, while atheism says that the universe is moving towards complexity and towards building a struggle to develop. So scholars consider the second law of thermodynamic to carry the end of Darwinism and selective evolution. And these are laws, not theories.. so the science on the side while atheism and Darwinism are completely on the other side .
Although it is true that the universe as a whole is moving towards a less organized state, there is nothing in the 2nd law of thermodynamics that prevents localized pockets of matter (galaxies, solar systems, planets, life) from becoming more organized as long as the universe on the whole is becoming less organized. And there are natural forces at work on the local level, like gravity, that pulls disparate matter together into planets, stars, and solar systems. And there are natural electro-static forces that pull disparate atoms together into molecules. And there are natural forces at work such as natural selection and genetic recombination that result in ever more complex life forms.

No god needed, and the 2nd law of thermodynamics does not preclude this, because entropy is still increasing in the closed system (aka the universe).
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Old 04-28-2011, 08:56 AM
 
Location: Richland, Washington
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1 - Atheism violates the first law of Newton
The first law of Newton says that "an object at rest will stay at rest and an object in steady motion tends to stay in motion unless acted upon by an external force (static or dynamic)."
So there must be an external force that made the Big Bang to happen at that very moment and forced the universe to begin at that very moment.
You don't understand science. What happened before the Big Bang is unknown. The Big Bang only says that the universe began in a hot dense state then began expanding.

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2 - Atheism violates the first law of thermodynamics
Law of Conservation of energy or what is known as the first law of thermodynamics says ((matter/energy cannot be created nor can it be destroyed.)) If we contemplate in this law, we come to conclusion that the universe cannot exist. According to this law, the universe does not exist or it's present in the presence of the Creator.
This makes a better argument for the multiverse. The 2nd law is saying that matter and energy can change form, but it cannot dissapear. An example of this is a brick building that is demolished. The structure of the matter has changed(from brick to ash) but the same amount of matter is still there.

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3 - Atheism violates the second law of thermodynamics
The second law of thermodynamic says that the universe is now heading towards thermal death when the temperature of all organisms and particles becomes equal. So the universe as scientists say is heading toward disintegration, towards demolition, towards cooling and towards thermal death “thermal death of universe”, while atheism says that the universe is moving towards complexity and towards building a struggle to develop. So scholars consider the second law of thermodynamic to carry the end of Darwinism and selective evolution. And these are laws, not theories.. so the science on the side while atheism and Darwinism are completely on the other side .
This only works in a closed system.(something many believers like to ignore) A closed system would be like a cup of hot coffee. The heat leaves the cup because it has nowhere else to go. Your argument is flawed because the world is an open system since it is affected by the sun, therefore the third law argument that creationists like to use is just ignorance since the third law doesn't apply in this case.

What you're really doing is making a lot of strawman arguments and showing you don't understand science. Also, you have no understanding of what a theory in science is. Evolution is a scientific theory which is what a lay person would consider a fact.

You need to an actual take physics class rather than getting your information from some biased religious source.
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Old 04-28-2011, 09:17 AM
 
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Atheists always boast that they only believe in science and logic
well .. let's put that statement to the test
Well, that's just about the dumbest site I've ever seen trying to refute atheism.

You do realize don't you, that atheism is ONLY the disbelief in a deity. That's it! Nothing more, nothing less. It makes no statement about the origin of the universe, or anything else that you've so naively listed.

Major, utter, complete FAIL.
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Old 04-28-2011, 09:18 AM
 
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let's see if the OP / troll has any real interest in the topic before we blow any gaskets.
Agreed. Those were some bad, bad arguments, but if there's going to be no participation, I'll gladly let the OP stew in his own ignorance.
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Old 04-28-2011, 09:26 AM
 
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Well, that's just about the dumbest site I've ever seen trying to refute atheism.

You do realize don't you, that atheism is ONLY the disbelief in a deity. That's it! Nothing more, nothing less. It makes no statement about the origin of the universe, or anything else that you've so naively listed.

Major, utter, complete FAIL.
You go girl
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Old 04-28-2011, 09:38 AM
 
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You do realize don't you, that atheism is ONLY the disbelief in a deity. That's it! Nothing more, nothing less. It makes no statement about the origin of the universe, or anything else that you've so naively listed.
Actually atheism does make a major statement about origns. Atheism basically says that God did not create the Universe.
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