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Old 04-29-2011, 01:59 PM
 
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This from Captain Irrational

Fact, the dude died.
Fact, tornadoes hit the south.

Those are facts, but to come up with the lunacy of these are related in any way is not a fact, it is a fantasy. I've never known a believer that can even tell the difference between facts and fantasy.

And you avoided the point about the childish tantrums your friend from your fable is supposed to have caused. This is how a just and loving god behaves? Dude, you have affirmed my atheism, big time.



1. Fact. Wilkerson warned us for years, that God was going to start pouring out his wrath in the fury of nature.

2. Fact. On the very day that Wilkerson died. America was hit by the most destructive tornado outbreak in it's history.

3. Fact. This outbreak started in Texas, the very same state where Wilkerson was killed, and on the very same day.

4. Fact. Wilkerson stated that Eastern Europe, Russia, and China would make peace with America 15 years before that happened.

5. Wilkerson also stated that this peace would not last, and America would experience an economic collapse. And sometime after this Russia would attack and destroy her. Based on everything I now see. I have no reason to doubt what Wilkerson has stated. America is now 14 trillion dollars in debt. We have an ageing population, and an industry that is being shipped over seas. And our government is not even sure how they are going to fund or social programs. Forget about paying off the debt. All they can do now, is to raise the level of borrowing. Now this is lunacy.

And God is loving to those who love Him. And to those who mock Him? God tells us it is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God. Your concept of the Biblical God is a long way from His reality.

And your ability to ignore the relationship between Wilkerson death, and what has just taken place and on the very same day. Is pretty much what I would expect to see from non believers. No doubt, when Christ died on the cross and there was three hours of darkness, and an earthquake at the very moment of His death. You would of also said those events were unrelated. Truly, those who are spiritually blind will always miss God's intervention. They will never be able to put two and two together. And that is why God tells us, that the unbelievers will always be learning, yet they will never be able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
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Old 04-29-2011, 02:22 PM
 
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On the very night that David Wilkerson died in an Auto accident. America was hit by one of the most destructive tornado outbreaks in it's history.
So I guess we shouldn't consider the possibility (however remote) that this was just a coincidence?
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Old 04-29-2011, 02:25 PM
 
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1. Fact. Wilkerson warned us for years, that God was going to start pouring out his wrath in the fury of nature.

2. Fact. On the very day that Wilkerson died. America was hit by the most destructive tornado outbreak in it's history.

3. Fact. This outbreak started in Texas, the very same state where Wilkerson was killed, and on the very same day.

4. Fact. Wilkerson stated that Eastern Europe, Russia, and China would make peace with America 15 years before that happened.

5. Wilkerson also stated that this peace would not last, and America would experience an economic collapse. And sometime after this Russia would attack and destroy her. Based on everything I now see. I have no reason to doubt what Wilkerson has stated. America is now 14 trillion dollars in debt. We have an ageing population, and an industry that is being shipped over seas. And our government is not even sure how they are going to fund or social programs. Forget about paying off the debt. All they can do now, is to raise the level of borrowing. Now this is lunacy.

And God is loving to those who love Him. And to those who mock Him? God tells us it is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God. Your concept of the Biblical God is a long way from His reality.

And your ability to ignore the relationship between Wilkerson death, and what has just taken place and on the very same day. Is pretty much what I would expect to see from non believers. No doubt, when Christ died on the cross and there was three hours of darkness, and an earthquake at the very moment of His death. You would of also said those events were unrelated. Truly, those who are spiritually blind will always miss God's intervention. They will never be able to put two and two together. And that is why God tells us, that the unbelievers will always be learning, yet they will never be able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
  1. Blow hard bible beaters are spewing this trash constantly, it's their bread and butter, fear sells to fools, and the give him money for some sick reason. Perhaps he should have been paying attention to his driving, or perhaps he had a heart attack then crashed.
  2. We don't know that, we just know it is up there with the 1974 storms, but weather records only go back a little over a 100 years, on a planet billions of years old.
  3. coincidence, and really Alabama took the brunt.
  4. hundreds of nukes aimed at each other is peace?
  5. thanks to a knuckle dragging bible beater buffoon starting religious wars.
It takes a great deal of paranoia driven by years of practicing willful ignorance to knit these unrelated events into anything, except for the paranoid ravings.

Storms in the spring in the southern states, who would have thought
40,000 - 50,000 people are killed in auto accidents every year, who would have thought one would happen in Texas.
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Old 04-29-2011, 03:02 PM
 
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The Book of Revelation chapter 18 is only half of the prophecy. It requires prophecies of both the Old and New Testaments to get the full details. Jer. 50 and 51 is where the other half of the prophecy will be found. However, Wilkerson and other Christians have experienced what happens to America through visions and dreams. Yet Scripture speaks of this as well.

So you automatically assume it is America that is diserving of God's wrath somehow? It's the middle East that shuts out and sins against God. They cut your haed off for converting to Christianity. It's everyone that thinks that America is the cause of all the world's problems that are the problem. God might hold some beefs with us, but nothing compared to any Islam-run country. Islam is antichrist in nature! It is the nation of Islam that is comming down.

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Old 04-29-2011, 03:40 PM
 
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So I guess we shouldn't consider the possibility (however remote) that this was just a coincidence?

Well you would have to add to that coincidence. Because the last great deadly outbreak of Tornados occured in the year 1974. And that was the very year Wilkerson published his Book the Vision. Which spoke of his vision of 1973. And he was telling us in his book that God was going to start punishing nations with natural disasters.

And of course, you would have to add to that coincidence the fact that Eastern Europe, China, and Russia made peace with America as Wilkerson predicted 15 years before.

Actually if you consider all of what Wilkerson has stated, there are many more conincidences you will have to believe in. However, when you consider the accuracy of his prophecies. Most Christians understand that he was speaking God's truth. And what occured after his prophecies had more to do with God's truth, then just simple coincidence.
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Old 04-29-2011, 03:50 PM
 
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So you automatically assume it is America that is diserving of God's wrath somehow? It's the middle East that shuts out and sins against God. They cut your haed off for converting to Christianity. It's everyone that thinks that America is the cause of all the world's problems that are the problem. God might hold some beefs with us, but nothing compared to any Islam-run country. Islam is antichrist in nature! It is the nation of Islam that is comming down.

No I don't automatically assume it is America. God tells us in His Word, and Wilkerson tells us in his Vision that America is going to be punished. Other Christians are having these same visions. Yet in the end, all nations will feel the wrath of God. In the Middle East you may lose your head. Yet here in America we have murdered 50 million children because of abortion. And that is no small beef with God. Islam will be punished when they move against Israel. God allowed the Jews to return to Israel as bait. Islam does not have a clue what awaits them when they try to drive the Jewish people out of their land. Islam is going down, yet so is everyone else who does not believe in Jesus Christ.
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Old 04-29-2011, 04:03 PM
 
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No I don't automatically assume it is America. God tells us in His Word, and Wilkerson tells us in his Vision that America is going to be punished. Other Christians are having these same visions. Yet in the end, all nations will feel the wrath of God. In the Middle East you may lose your head. Yet here in America we have murdered 50 million children because of abortion. And that is no small beef with God. Islam will be punished when they move against Israel. God allowed the Jews to return to Israel as bait. Islam does not have a clue what awaits them when they try to drive the Jewish people out of their land. Islam is going down, yet so is everyone else who does not believe in Jesus Christ.
You and your "prophet" are assuming. The only people I have heard suggesting America is being punished by God's wrath have been either Islammic, or nut jobs that hate America for whatever rediculous reason under the sky. God will deal with everyone after they die. Those that turn away and lie about Jesus will not have faith in the phylosophy of life after death, and they will linger as God's people will be reborn to rule the world.
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Old 04-29-2011, 05:05 PM
 
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Babylon was a country that is now Iraq. They went through hell while under Hussein. They were under heavy sanctions for many years under Sadam's reign. Nobody would do business with them. You think maybe Revelations was referring to Iraq's(Babylon's) troubles in the past 20-40 years or so? hmmm
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Old 04-29-2011, 06:29 PM
 
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You and your "prophet" are assuming. The only people I have heard suggesting America is being punished by God's wrath have been either Islammic, or nut jobs that hate America for whatever rediculous reason under the sky. God will deal with everyone after they die. Those that turn away and lie about Jesus will not have faith in the phylosophy of life after death, and they will linger as God's people will be reborn to rule the world.



Why are you giving America a free pass on the murder of fifty million children from abortion? You say God will deal with the Islamic nations, yet he will deal with everyone else after they die? PLEASE! Dave Wilkerson was not a nut job. He wrote the Cross and the Switch Blade. He started Teen Challenge. He has spent his entire life telling all to follow Jesus Christ. The fact is, the real nut jobs are those who warm the seats of churches every Sunday. Yet never tell anyone about the Lord. And then they call the saints of God, nut jobs. Don't let America become an idol to you. America was once a nation that was filled with Christians. Now America is filled with people who will choose leaders who would vote to support abortion, rather then perserve life. The sins of this nation have reach the throne room of God.

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Old 04-29-2011, 06:35 PM
 
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Babylon was a country that is now Iraq. They went through hell while under Hussein. They were under heavy sanctions for many years under Sadam's reign. Nobody would do business with them. You think maybe Revelations was referring to Iraq's(Babylon's) troubles in the past 20-40 years or so? hmmm
Babylon in Iraq is not the Mystery Babylon of Revelation. And in the Book of Jermiah chapters 50 and 51. It tells us this Babylon is built on many waters. Babylon in Iraq was built out in the desert. There are many descriptions of Babylon in both Revelation and Jermiah. And those descriptions do not match the Babylon found in Iraq today. Consider the link below.

http://www.markswatson.com/BAB.pdf

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