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In his autobiography, Malcolm X categorically stated that, based on his personal experiences, racism was just as alive and just as bad in the northern and midwestern states as it was in the South. Again according to him, at least the Southerners were honest about it, while the Northerners weren't (saying one thing while doing the opposite).
If you folks want to keep trying to shove all racism down into the South, that's fine. Each time you do it, you strengthen Malcolm X's assertion.
Just my two-hundreths of a dollar,
-- Nighteyes
I can tell you didn't read a single post on here, nor did you try to understand the 'underlying' theme...which really has nothing to do with racism...
Instead you came here with your 'own' issues...and thus responded to a make believe charge...
But if you would read, and digest what's being shared, you would realize it's not about 'racism'...it's about people claiming to speak for god, and how erronious of an assumption that is for anyone to make...
Jerry Farwells past, was simply used as a template, or as an example of that...
No one here's crying 'racism'...believe me you, most have so gotten past that issue...
...most of the racism in the 40's, 50's and 60's were pushed and originated from the pulpit...from Pastors in the South...
I must disagree that racism was originated by the pastors. Racism goes back centuries and millenia. The pastors certainly pushed it, but it was ingrained in society and had been for a very long time. Jim Crow laws went back into the 19th century, and before those there was slavery.
I must disagree that racism was originated by the pastors. Racism goes back centuries and millenia. The pastors certainly pushed it, but it was ingrained in society and had been for a very long time. Jim Crow laws went back into the 19th century, and before those there was slavery.
Ok....
Than 'Here in America', during the civil rights era from 1930s-1960s...(that excludes other places and times for the sake of this discusion)...
Here in America, racism and or segregation, was heavily pushed from the Church Pulpit...I have heard the sermons from back then...clear as black and white...
But the larger point of this thread is it's obvious no one knows the heart and mind of God...
People simply follow their own 'cultural inclinations, and conviently call that 'god'...
I read this quote from another place today and it went something like this...
'When the god you serve, hates the same people you do, than you know it's a man made god'...
Or something like that...it made sense...and you see so much of that...people who 'diefy' their bigotry...this goes for Christians and Muslims alike or any other religon...
We create god in the image of our own likes and dislikes, instead of the other way around...
And that's why one minute, a southern paster swears up and down it's ok to be racist or segregate...and then 2 decades later, half his church is black white or asian...
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Than 'Here in America'...(that excludes other places for the sake of this discusion)...
Here in America, racism and or segregation, was heavily pushed from the Church Pulpit...I have heard the sermons from back then...clear as black and white...
But the larger point of this thread is it's obvious no one knows the heart and mind of God...
People simply follow their own 'cultural inclinations, and conviently call that 'god'...
I read this quote from another place today and it went something like this...
'When the god you serve, hates the same people you do, than you know it's a man made god'...
Or something like that...it made sense...and you see so much of that...people who 'diefy' their bigotry...this goes for Christians and Muslims a like or any other religon...
We create god in the image of our own likes and dislikes, instead of the other way around...
And that's why one minute, a southern paster swears up and down it's ok to be racist or segregate...and then 2 decades later, half his church is black white or asian...
Kind of ironic isn't it, that a pastor preaches against desegregation and a couple of decades later desegregation has entered his church, he uses his sacred book to promote segregation at one point in time and now he uses it to denounce it. Very ironic indeed.
Kind of ironic isn't it, that a pastor preaches against desegregation and a couple of decades later desegregation has entered his church, he uses his sacred book to promote segregation at one point in time and now he uses it to denounce it. Very ironic indeed.
Yes, I agree totally...
But I also must make it crystal clear it is not 'god' I'm questioning, or find odd...
For those of you who forget about the mindset back then, here's a video of how things were.
In the following video, a Pastor calls Rock-n-Roll, which was a new phenominamn 'a racist term, music'....
That's just how things were back then, but we so often forget that, by todays public standards...
The first guy breaking the records is simply a 'pop' DJ...
But the second gentleman sitting behind the typewriter, is a racist Pastor of a church...his sentiment was very popular back then, and that's the generation Jerry Farwell comes from...
They were demonizing Rock-n-Roll as being 'devil music'...maybe they were right, who knows...
But then the Pastor goes on to add a 'racist' element to his reasoning...
I recall, when I was younger and living in Texas, the last Rev Criswell, head honcho of First Baptist Church of Dallas , the biggest and therefore, according to the mindset, Best, saying
"The Reason we have so much crime in our city is because we have so many uneducated blacks and Mexicans"
Of course, some members of his congregation went as far as to deny he said that, but this was late 80's and by then he had long established himself as a prominant racist in the community. While it is doubtful that he went as far as KKK Membership (at least never admitted to it) He was a Role Model for Christians and Racists to come.
I recall, when I was younger and living in Texas, the last Rev Criswell, head honcho of First Baptist Church of Dallas , the biggest and therefore, according to the mindset, Best, saying
"The Reason we have so much crime in our city is because we have so many uneducated blacks and Mexicans"
Of course, some members of his congregation went as far as to deny he said that, but this was late 80's and by then he had long established himself as a prominant racist in the community. While it is doubtful that he went as far as KKK Membership (at least never admitted to it) He was a Role Model for Christians and Racists to come.
Again...I love this type of forth coming honesty...I find it very refreshing and liberating...
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