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Old 05-09-2011, 10:16 AM
 
Location: Washingtonville
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Atheists on here always say that the theists have to have proof that what we believe is true. People who believe in the alternative and holistic approach with spirituality are forced to prove their beliefs.

I now turn the tables on the atheists and say prove to me that there is no God, Soul, and that things like Reiki, gemstones, and all things spiritual do not work.
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Old 05-09-2011, 10:19 AM
 
Location: Sierra Nevada Land, CA
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Atheists on here always say that the theists have to have proof that what we believe is true. People who believe in the alternative and holistic approach with spirituality are forced to prove their beliefs.

I now turn the tables on the atheists and say prove to me that there is no God, Soul, and that things like Reiki, gemstones, and all things spiritual do not work.
I predict that the atheists will say:

1. You can't prove a negative.

2. Since theists are making the positive assertion, we have the burden of proof.

See, now the atheists are off the hook. They can avoid the question entirely.
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Old 05-09-2011, 10:21 AM
 
Location: Cincinnati
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I predict that the atheists will say:

1. You can't prove a negative.

2. Since theists are making the positive assertion, we have the burden of proof.

See, now the atheists are off the hook. They can avoid the question entirely.
that should do it. Moderator cut: edit

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Old 05-09-2011, 10:22 AM
 
Location: Valencia, Spain
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Originally Posted by raison_d'etre View Post
Atheists on here always say that the theists have to have proof that what we believe is true. People who believe in the alternative and holistic approach with spirituality are forced to prove their beliefs.

I now turn the tables on the atheists and say prove to me that there is no God, Soul, .....
Still not getting it raison? One can't prove a negative. Why don't you try to prove that mermaids don't exist?




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...and that things like Reiki, gemstones, and all things spiritual do not work.
Same argument as above.
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Old 05-09-2011, 10:23 AM
 
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The onus is on the one making the affirmative claim of existence.

Instead, you're just bellying up to the wishful-thinking salad bar and choosing what you like:
"I'll take a nice God salad with Reiki dressing on the side. No leprechauns, thanks. And I'll pass on the Santa Claus."

See? You're not even consistent in your inane idea that affirmative claims of existence need no evidence. You just blithely pick and choose what you desperately wish to be true, proclaim it so, and then proclaim that all else is false.

The narcissism in your me-based selectivity is impressive, in a sad and pathetic sort of way.
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Old 05-09-2011, 10:29 AM
 
Location: Valencia, Spain
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I predict that the atheists will say:

1. You can't prove a negative.

2. Since theists are making the positive assertion, we have the burden of proof.
Well that's because those things are true Mr. I thought you were interested in 'truth'?
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Old 05-09-2011, 10:36 AM
 
Location: New York City
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The onus is on the one making the affirmative claim of existence.

Instead, you're just bellying up to the wishful-thinking salad bar and choosing what you like:
"I'll take a nice God salad with Reiki dressing on the side. No leprechauns, thanks. And I'll pass on the Santa Claus."

See? You're not even consistent in your inane idea that affirmative claims of existence need no evidence. You just blithely pick and choose what you desperately wish to be true, proclaim it so, and then proclaim that all else is false.

The narcissism in your me-based selectivity is impressive, in a sad and pathetic sort of way.
Ranks in my top 5 best posts ever!
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Old 05-09-2011, 10:54 AM
 
Location: Cincinnati
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okay i don't see why we have to start getting snarky and mean. can we not assume the original question was posed in good faith?
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Old 05-09-2011, 10:55 AM
 
Location: Valencia, Spain
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okay i don't see why we have to start getting snarky and mean. can we not assume the original question was posed in good faith?
What is "snarky" about the posts here??
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Old 05-09-2011, 11:07 AM
 
Location: Sierra Nevada Land, CA
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Well that's because those things are true Mr. I thought you were interested in 'truth'?
Personally I would have phrased the question in such a way as to make the Atheist view a positive assertion.

But as predicted it came to pass that no atheist will address the OP. IMO the atheist bases his or her beliefs about the spiritual on nothing (pun intended).

To answer the OP, I would say that the atheist has no evidence to support their POV. For example, the atheist cannot prove that the universe came to be on its own-just happened. There is no evidence.
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