Homosexuality/bisexuality and religion (Jehovah, faith, Christian, heaven)

[MacAttack_]

Originally Posted by Marks

The original OP asked us, "I was just wondering what are your views on homosexuality and bisexuality? Do you see it as a sin or do you believe that it is okay?"

Because naturally, morally, spiritually, and ethically homosexuality, lesbianism, transvestitism, bestiality, pedophilism, etc. is a SIN. And violates God's laws just as other sins. It is a satanic wresting of the natural to a sickening unnatural. Come on think about it for a minute; are those filthy acts normal to you? No person was ever conceived by any of those practices.

Naturally? Nope.. homosexuality exists in many animal species, so it is not at all unnatural.

Morally? Who's morals? If there's something immoral about two people loving one another, then you need to reevaluate your standards of morality.

Spiritually? Who are you to judge a person's spirituality? The spirit is not concerned with mundane things of the physical world such as sexual orientation. Anyone can be spiritual.

Ethically? I don't believe ethics is even relevent.

And sorry, but homosexuality has absolutely nothing to do with transvestitism, pedophilia or beastiality.

Come on think about it for a minute; are those filthy acts normal to you?

Going to Church two or three times a week isn't normal to me. But you still do it, don't you? Smoking cigarrettes is "filthy" to me, but I'm not out trying to dictate who can or cannot smoke. You state below that this isn't a communist country. That sentiment works both ways.

No person was ever conceived by any of those practices.

You're assuming conception is required for a loving relationship. It is not. My cousin and his wife are infertile, so by your logic they are inferior and less deserving of human rights.

Some have attempted to claim this is prejudice. No, it's not.

Oh but it definitely is, and bigotry.

Many say I can't stand football or baseball is that being prejudice? No not at all.

Of course, the difference is that they aren't trying to prevent everyone else from enjoying football and baseball.

Do others not have the right to dislike something? Do we now live in a communist country? I think not.

Yet when it comes to the disliking of Christianity you'll sing a different tune...

Are you kidding me? This is really how you feel? I believe it's attempting to be legislated against because its being jammed down our throats, and threatening the cohesiveness of the traditional family.

Do you really believe that if Bob and Joe get married it's going to affect Ralph and Sue's marriage and their children? Please! Do you really believe that heterosexual relationships will decline if gays are allowed to marry?

There is no "special rights" that can be granted to gays; that's a myth. They have, and should receive, all the "basic human rights" as we do. It has nothing to do with "equal rights" that's a myth as well.

Basic human rights ARE equal rights. And it is no myth that gays currently do not enjoy the full benefits of those rights.

"Gay marriages is saying we believe in love and want ALL human beings to enjoy a stable, "normal" relationship should they wish to."

No, it's about getting non-gay people to shut up and allow gays and others to do what they want even as destructive as it is, and to make it legal for these folks to practice their "lifestyle."

It's already legal to be gay, and there is no "gay lifestyle" nor is being gay destructive.

[Marks]

Oh Sometimes folks are blinded by what they don't see; than what they do see.

[happynoodleboycey]

MacAttack_ I agree with you 100%.

[GCSTroop]

Originally Posted by lifesigns64

One more thing, I agree with Marks, Gay Marriage is threatening the cohesiveness of the famly unit.

When will it stop. Recently in Orlando a woman was married by a minister to a male dolphi????????????????????????????????????????


Does anyone see that all this sexual promiscuity by gays and heterosexuals as well, and so many other things and rights to given to us has made us a society with no conscience. Just look at the news . . . everything is acceptable . . . . and look where it is getting us.

Why are we so concerned with what other people do? I still don't get it. It's only threatening the cohesiveness of the family unit in certain people's eyes. Why does it matter if Bill and Ted have excellent adventures behind closed doors? Who cares if someone wants to dress up like a woman but is really a man? What physical harm does that do anyone?? None, if it bothers you move somewhere else. Oh wait a second, there isn't another Western country in this world as "un-free" as this one when it comes to sexuality. Go to any other Western country and you'll find that NO ONE gives a crap.

[MacAttack_]

Originally Posted by Marks

Oh Sometimes folks are blinded by what they don't see; than what they do see.

And some people can't see at all..

[zonababe]

[quote=lifesigns64;1208861]One more thing, I agree with Marks, Gay Marriage is threatening the cohesiveness of the famly unit.

Divorce, spousal abuse, domestic violence and alcoholism (to name a few)are all threatening the cohesiveness of the family unit as well. Economic factors are also changing the traditional family unit. All the issues mentioned above, are more likely to have an effect on your family unit than another couples gay marriage.

[MacAttack_]

Is gay marriage an attack on families? Terrence doesn't seem to think so:


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[Sundance]

My only job, as a Christian, is to love people, to love others as myself. Whether being gay is a sin, or not, that isn't up to ME to judge (thank goodness.)
I don't know whether being gay is innate, or learned behavior, and it really doesn't matter, anyway.
I don't have to judge them, warn them, or anything offensive. My only job is conduct MY OWN SELF the way I am supposed to, in a way that pleases the Lord.
If gay person asks me questions like "do you think being gay is a sin," all I have to do, is hand them a Bible, and let them do the reading for him or herself.

You don't HAVE TO be offensive, judgemental, and self-righteous to be a Christian.
All we have to do is love others and, if they have questions, tell them the plan of salvation, and give them a Bible and let them find the answer for themselves. JMO

[tet tea]

I have seen friends go through "hell" and back trying to understand their sexuality and the bigatory that has been thrown at them.

When it comes to sex and relgion ... who cares! Be yourself. As long as you are true to yourself and others. You lead a good life and respect others. To me that is all that matters.

[Mooseketeer]

I am still completely puzzled about what harm gay people are supposed to be doing to society. I accept that your religion might find it a"sin" and distasteful but can you comprehend that a lot of people do not accept the bible or interpret it the way you do ?!

I suspect Jesus would be a lot more upset about us showing intolerance and bigotry than about us accepting people for who they are not who they sleep with. I also find it amazing that some Christians will lecture and preach to others about morality and still in their everyday live forget their high standards . Pretty much every time you buy anything in the West, you are condoning slavery and exploitation, something which I find repugnant and repellent and which I can't see Jesus being thrilled about either.

How many amongst our great moral orators on this forum own pairs of Nike, Gap clothes, ( or just about any other brand name) or products made by small children in third world countries ? How many of you use your Christian faith and moral energy to fight this in every way possible, lobbying governments and multi-national corporations so that a more just life is accessible to all of "god's"children. How many of you fine upstanding citizens actually follow in the footsteps of Jesus and show love and understanding to others ? When someone finds homosexuality more of an issue than poverty or human trafficking, it makes me want to retch. How many of you try to shop ethically, try to alter political systems, how many of you fight for human rights tooth and nail , and how many of you shop in Wal-Mart and don't really care how your goods are produced because heck it's cheap and better for me ! Who cares if a 7 year old Pakistani kid works 18 hours a day in slave conditions for less than a dollar a day or that your food and cleaning products are manufactured in a way which is hazardous to the factory workers and destructive to the environment and Nature( "god's creation" which I assume you believe we should all be good stewards of) . I seriously hope that the judgemental amongst you are the kind of people who do try and make this a better world but considering the time you seem to be frothing at the mouth about some perceived "perversion" I seriously doubt it.

I am astounded at the virulence towards the gay community. No wonder a lot of people are too scared to come out. Homosexuality has ALWAYS been part of humanity, it might be more visible now but it's hardly a new phenomenon ! And it is natural , it is quite prevalent in animals. Not all sex is for reproductive purposes, thank goodness. I am heterosexual and have no desire for children. None whatsoever. Wow, I must be un-natural too.
What is destroying our family values as some of you see it is not gay people or single parents, it's the way our society has become more materialistic, more consumerism orientated and a lot less community based. People have moved away from their familial bases, people are more mobile, long lasting links are harder to come by. Kids are less disciplined as are parents, we live in an era of conspicuous consumption. We are selfish and greedy, we seek to have everything our hearts desire "right here, right now". We have become shallow and self absorbed to a degree not known before because of the easy access to everything. The decay of our moral and social fabric is a very complex thing and cannot be attributed to the fact that lesbians and gay men find love in same sex relationship.
Sexuality is a far more complex process than some of you posters seem to understand. It is not just a biological imperative, it goes so much deeper than this. To judge someone on their sexual orientation is immature, ignorant and bigoted. As I said before, just grow up and before you start pointing the finger at others, put your own house in order.

You find homosexuality offensive, I find the way we ignore the cries of the world to worry about petty issues about love and sex,repugnant and churlish in the extreme.
Love is love, some people obviously prefer people to be miserable just to spare themselves the sight ( never mind the sight the thought, heavens forbid) of two men kissing on a bench. How incredibly offensive for 2 human beings in love to show affection to each other, way more offensive than hatred, bigotry , war or famine...