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The problem is you see sex as sin, I do not and neither do most of the world. Sex is natural.
That's a half truth "sex is natural , but it's also a (sin)...Agreed
Marriage is a construct of the church.
Agreed....
Mankind is not defective, you have been duped into that way of thinking.
ATD-stands for Agree To Disagree...Time Will Tell
So god/jesus needs three attempts to fix his defects? Sounds like your god is very incompetent.
Time Will Tell Self Control Would Work On Both Homo-Heter Sexual Sins....
Adultery has nothing to do with being gay.
Self Control Would Work On Both Homo-HeterSexual Sins....
It is obvious that you are imagining their gay sex acts but their relationships are not just about sex. You know that love thingy?
Yeah when I lived in Metro LA I fell in Love Everyday
All xians see when condemning the gays is the act of sex itself. They are not doing it 24/7 just like you are likely at your age not doing it every night.
Please do not bring in the procreation argument as gays come from straight families, they cannot breed clones of themselves and those that adopt do not bring their kids up to be gay. Lesbians can use in vitro to get pregnant. Allowing gay folk the freedom to marry and raise children is no threat to society. There will always be gays and there always were. Call it one your your god's odd little defects seeing you hold to the fall myth.
O.K.
No one chooses to be gay. Why would they. Everyone hates gays mostly but not one of them can tell you why except for the fact they are different or that their bible tells them it is an abomination. Do any of them lose sleep at night in fear of a gay prowler?
No
You agreed it is not contagious. Gay men are not attracted to straight men, they kind of find each other, likewise with lesbians.
ATD
Th bisexuals seem to be the ones exercising choice and on them I have no opinion but if that floats their boat, who am I to judge them? I lose no sleep over them and they are no threat. I am glad where I live they have full autonomy and equal rights just like everyone else.
I consider Bi-Sexuals As GAYS...................
There is no gay agenda to indoctrinate the youth into being gay, as you admitted they are born that way. They may want to have an hour to assure people they are different and human and to change perceptions about them. They will not teach folk how to be gay by showing them explicit video or pictures, the internet has ample examples of that, just like schools do not show porn or photos of sex but stick to diagrams in sex ed.
ATD Catholics Clergy Has Done A Great Job In Indoctrination of the Youth.....
The gay aspect of my child's sex ed at school in social studies took all of 10 minutes. Horrors.
You don't live in CA do you....LOL that's a drop in the bucket..
99% of folk will marry and procreate as your god intended and many of them will have gay children.
So
Accepting these folk so that they do not go through the mental anguish of being hated by society is what is needed, you cannot pray the gay away and often when this has been tried, the kids end their lives rather than to try and fit in as a "defective" human being. Where does anyone derive morality or pleasure in such narrow mindedness and bigotry? The mantra of hate the sin not the sinner is merely a cliche for the bigots to hide or express their hate in a more PC way. The gay folk still see this as an affront on them personally. IOW it is sugar coating a turd.
I said that everybody , with the exception of JESUS was a sinner how in the world is that "harmful to homosexuals"...????
Kids may experiment with same sex as pubescent teens but that does not make them gay. If they are straight, it will be just an experiment and they will move onto hereto relationships.
So
In the end it really boils down to what is done behind closed doors is no ones business.
Ageed with one exception GOD , and I'm Not GOD...
The single biggest objection xians have with gays is the male on male acts and the ick factor. Realize male on female is icky for them.
I've released GAYS to do as they PLEASE............
Now if xians were to demonstrate that they ONLY breed hetero offspring, the xian may have an argument.
You will find Homosexuals Sex in every known animal species Known to Man........howest2008
BTW I am married 26 years (plus two years shacking up) with two children and I am straight plus I have never had an affair. I did have sex with many women prior to my marriage.
Then You Are More HOLY Than Me...I've been married 29 Years and I committed Adultery (once) take a look at yourself..with your bad self......LOL...
If you and others are not god, do not then attempt to speak on his behalf. The bible was merely men writing laws and inferring god told them so, the ick factor existed then. One must ask oneself, with all the sexual laws, were there sex kopz back then that went around peeking in the folks tents to see what or who they were doing it with? You do know there was a law against intruders justifying the tent owner kill the intruder, pretty similar to peeping tom laws in place today.
Or are we to assume the folk simply lifted their skirts, dropped their pants and did it right there in the market square?
I mean we look at the adulterers of the mighty men of god in the OT and the bastions of god's oracles and laws and yet xians want to dictate morality in the bedroom of folk that NO ONE ever sees except the two parties involved. This is not rape, it is consensual. It is hurting no one. Even if gays want to run the risk of STD 's and play the field unprotected, do you really think any laws are going to stop them?
This life is too short to concern oneself of other peoples morality or lack thereof. In South Africa, gays are fully equal and they bother no one. Laws exist now that prevent woos from publicly condemning them or inciting violence through hate speech.
In SA when I was a christian, even back when gay was ess. illegal, I never once heard any preacher rant on the gays. The only place I have seen this is from the US.
Oh in SA, when the new constitution was passed and gays got what they wanted, the sky did not fall as predicted, it did not herald the return of christ, there were no apocalyptic judgments from god, the poles did not shift, the next day and 16 years of days later, the sun still rises in the east and sets in the west.
The US divorce rates are the highest in the world, the teen pregnancies and teen abortions the highest in the world. SA is far lower than the US in all of these. We teach science and proper sex ed at schools plus condoms are free at vending machines almost everywhere like service stations and hotel rest rooms and all places of work. Granted this is to combat AIDS but the spin offs in other areas like teen pregnancies and abortion are on the decline. Schools also dispense condoms free but not from vending machines, that needs to be asked for from the school nurse.
Folk are going to have sex with whomever they want to, no legislation will make it go away. Time to leave the 50's and enter the 21st century. Folk are just more open about these things now as they know it is natural.
Everything the religious try and mandate to combat the supposed decline in morality in the US is backfiring, your stats confirm this. The only reason the morality appears to be on the decline, we are now in an age where we measure and report stuff like teen pregnancies etc. instead of being pious and pretending and hiding the truth.
The threat of hellfire no longer resonates as a threat as folk now see the manipulation, folk are coming out of the closet as more and more folk stand up and say enough BS. That said, the treat of hell has not made the majority of folk not have premarital sex. You of course cannot stone adulterers anymore as secular laws have evolved to exclude such barbaric acts.
The world has moved on, it is time the US catches up.
If you and others are not god, do not then attempt to speak on his behalf. The bible was merely men writing laws and inferring god told them so, the ick factor existed then. One must ask oneself, with all the sexual laws, were there sex kopz back then that went around peeking in the folks tents to see what or who they were doing it with? You do know there was a law against intruders justifying the tent owner kill the intruder, pretty similar to peeping tom laws in place today.
Or are we to assume the folk simply lifted their skirts, dropped their pants and did it right there in the market square?
I mean we look at the adulterers of the mighty men of god in the OT and the bastions of god's oracles and laws and yet xians want to dictate morality in the bedroom of folk that NO ONE ever sees except the two parties involved. This is not rape, it is consensual. It is hurting no one. Even if gays want to run the risk of STD 's and play the field unprotected, do you really think any laws are going to stop them?
This life is too short to concern oneself of other peoples morality or lack thereof. In South Africa, gays are fully equal and they bother no one. Laws exist now that prevent woos from publicly condemning them or inciting violence through hate speech.
In SA when I was a christian, even back when gay was ess. illegal, I never once heard any preacher rant on the gays. The only place I have seen this is from the US.
Oh in SA, when the new constitution was passed and gays got what they wanted, the sky did not fall as predicted, it did not herald the return of christ, there were no apocalyptic judgments from god, the poles did not shift, the next day and 16 years of days later, the sun still rises in the east and sets in the west.
The US divorce rates are the highest in the world, the teen pregnancies and teen abortions the highest in the world. SA is far lower than the US in all of these. We teach science and proper sex ed at schools plus condoms are free at vending machines almost everywhere like service stations and hotel rest rooms and all places of work. Granted this is to combat AIDS but the spin offs in other areas like teen pregnancies and abortion are on the decline. Schools also dispense condoms free but not from vending machines, that needs to be asked for from the school nurse.
Folk are going to have sex with whomever they want to, no legislation will make it go away. Time to leave the 50's and enter the 21st century. Folk are just more open about these things now as they know it is natural.
Everything the religious try and mandate to combat the supposed decline in morality in the US is backfiring, your stats confirm this. The only reason the morality appears to be on the decline, we are now in an age where we measure and report stuff like teen pregnancies etc. instead of being pious and pretending and hiding the truth.
The threat of hellfire no longer resonates as a threat as folk now see the manipulation, folk are coming out of the closet as more and more folk stand up and say enough BS. That said, the treat of hell has not made the majority of folk not have premarital sex. You of course cannot stone adulterers anymore as secular laws have evolved to exclude such barbaric acts.
The world has moved on, it is time the US catches up.
Excuse Me , but didn't JESUS stop the " most powerful religioud leaders " of his day from Stoning A Woman caught in the ACT Of Adultery...Sounds Like CHRISTIANITY STOP Stoning 2,000 years ago. I'm toooo Intelligent to try to stop this Moral Deckine , if GOD can't do it how in the World can I do it. My friend I'm a live and let live sort of guy , but I still Call A Ace an Ace and a Spade a..... Spade and Sin.....Sin.
The title says it all man! Or are you like all the judges, lawyers and politicians in America who have forgetten that?
Students cant pray in school, athletic teams cant pray before an event, etc............and yet at the end of every Presidential speech.......the President says...."God bless you, and may God bless the United States of America"
When it comes down to it.........people pray to God, by the way....he had the Bible written on this earth.....remember?! People in position of legal power are forgetting this. One day they will remember it!
Excuse Me , but didn't JESUS stop the " most powerful religioud leaders " of his day from Stoning A Woman caught in the ACT Of Adultery...Sounds Like CHRISTIANITY STOP Stoning 2,000 years ago. I'm toooo Intelligent to try to stop this Moral Deckine , if GOD can't do it how in the World can I do it. My friend I'm a live and let live sort of guy , but I still Call A Ace an Ace and a Spade a..... Spade and Sin.....Sin.
That tale is in fact an embellishment. You are welcome to look it up.
Take a homosexual and put him in the adulteress' place. How would the story play out then? You do not think the outcome would have been the same?
You picked a wrong text to defend your position as it really depicts one of non judgement and forgiveness OR the illogical premise of the mosaic laws.
You claim a live and let live but still reserve the right to be a bigot. No skin off my back but then stop trying to influence govt policy with your vote and let the gays be gay.
The moral decline as you put it, what threat to your daily existence is there is folk are gay, folk watch porn or whatever.
Are you obsessed by what folk do or do not do behind closed doors? Probably not.
I promise you, when gays get equal rights they sky will not fall, they will not be raping your sons or enticing your daughters. If you cannot instill your values with your offspring, the govt. is not going to prevent gay sex or eradicate them.
They are humans just different and they ALL are born into mostly xian hetero unions. To you what they do may not seem natural to you but likewise they are wired differently and what you deem natural to them is not.
Lets do the math
Take a heterosexual couple and say they have sex 4 times a week lasting say10 minutes.
That works out to 4 x 10 x 3 x 12 = 24 hours a year which is 0.27% of the minutes in a year. The gays are not at it 24/7 either, they sleep, they cuddle, they work, they mostly are in love and desire much of what you and I desire.
So hard to think that such a small percentage of their lives take up sooo much time of the religious mindset.
Because gay is not a disease, chances are very likely their numbers will not increase.
The title says it all man! Or are you like all the judges, lawyers and politicians in America who have forgetten that?
Students cant pray in school, athletic teams cant pray before an event, etc............and yet at the end of every Presidential speech.......the President says...."God bless you, and may God bless the United States of America"
When it comes down to it.........people pray to God, by the way....he had the Bible written on this earth.....remember?! People in position of legal power are forgetting this. One day they will remember it!
Your book of tales has no authority in modern society. Secular laws are not derived from the bible anymore.
That tale is in fact an embellishment. You are welcome to look it up.
Take a homosexual and put him in the adulteress' place. How would the story play out then? You do not think the outcome would have been the same?
You picked a wrong text to defend your position as it really depicts one of non judgement and forgiveness OR the illogical premise of the mosaic laws.
You claim a live and let live but still reserve the right to be a bigot. No skin off my back but then stop trying to influence govt policy with your vote and let the gays be gay.
The moral decline as you put it, what threat to your daily existence is there is folk are gay, folk watch porn or whatever.
Are you obsessed by what folk do or do not do behind closed doors? Probably not.
I promise you, when gays get equal rights they sky will not fall, they will not be raping your sons or enticing your daughters. If you cannot instill your values with your offspring, the govt. is not going to prevent gay sex or eradicate them.
They are humans just different and they ALL are born into mostly xian hetero unions. To you what they do may not seem natural to you but likewise they are wired differently and what you deem natural to them is not.
Lets do the math
Take a heterosexual couple and say they have sex 4 times a week lasting say10 minutes.
That works out to 4 x 10 x 3 x 12 = 24 hours a year which is 0.27% of the minutes in a year. The gays are not at it 24/7 either, they sleep, they cuddle, they work, they mostly are in love and desire much of what you and I desire.
So hard to think that such a small percentage of their lives take up sooo much time of the religious mindset.
Because gay is not a disease, chances are very likely their numbers will not increase.
That tale is in fact an embellishment. You are welcome to look it up.
Take a homosexual and put him in the adulteress' place. How would the story play out then? You do not think the outcome would have been the same?
You picked a wrong text to defend your position as it really depicts one of non judgement and forgiveness OR the illogical premise of the mosaic laws.
You claim a live and let live but still reserve the right to be a bigot. No skin off my back but then stop trying to influence govt policy with your vote and let the gays be gay.
The moral decline as you put it, what threat to your daily existence is there is folk are gay, folk watch porn or whatever.
Are you obsessed by what folk do or do not do behind closed doors? Probably not.
I promise you, when gays get equal rights they sky will not fall, they will not be raping your sons or enticing your daughters. If you cannot instill your values with your offspring, the govt. is not going to prevent gay sex or eradicate them.
They are humans just different and they ALL are born into mostly xian hetero unions. To you what they do may not seem natural to you but likewise they are wired differently and what you deem natural to them is not.
Lets do the math
Take a heterosexual couple and say they have sex 4 times a week lasting say10 minutes.
That works out to 4 x 10 x 3 x 12 = 24 hours a year which is 0.27% of the minutes in a year. The gays are not at it 24/7 either, they sleep, they cuddle, they work, they mostly are in love and desire much of what you and I desire.
So hard to think that such a small percentage of their lives take up sooo much time of the religious mindset.
Because gay is not a disease, chances are very likely their numbers will not increase.
JESUS stopped Homosexual STONING at the exact same time that he stopped HETEROSEXUAL ADULTERY STONING , he would've done the " exact same thing " for any or all " Homosexuals " Guess that JESUS stopped STONING some 2,000 years ago. Oh and how the mighty have fallen...now I'm just your average Bigot " Not " I didn't place Homosexuals in Slavery , Tar and Feather Them , Lynch Them , And Take away Their's Civil Rights , now that what REAL BIGOTS do not me. The ppl of California gave Homosexuals Domestic Partnerships a long time ago which gave them ALL OF THEIR'S CIVIL RIGHTS bar none....Homosexual Marriage is just basically a " Homosexual Mental Health Device " to have the same Institutions under the same name ( Heterosexual/Homosexuals Marriage ) the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT is the only thing holding Domestic Partnerships from having the same LEGAL RIGHTS AS MARRIAGE and the STATE OF CALIFORNIA can do nothing about that the ball is in the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT COURT.
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It is in the Bible! No homosexualty!
