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Unread 05-21-2011, 01:42 PM
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Location: London, UK
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I have to say I completely agree with Mr. Hawking. I'm sure a lot of the religionists here are upset and say he's "unqualified" to give this opinion. However I'm sure if a preacher, a priest, a rabbi, or the Pope ventured into a scientific opinion you'd all applaud that.
For myself, I rather wonder whether preachers, priests or popes are 'qualified' to give an opinion on this matter. Hawking, as a smart bod and moreover, understanding the logical and rational methods of thought needed to arrive at sound conclusions, may be better qualified than those who can quote most of the Book from memory and totally believe it but do not really understand it or the the historical and constructional basis of it.

If they did, they might also come to the conclusion that it is is a book with little factual credibility and its gentile take on the Jewish heaven (God's throne perched on the top of the sky dome) is indeed a fairy tale as it has no more believability than Puss in Boots (Richie Whittington was at least a historical character)
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Unread 05-21-2011, 02:19 PM
 
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The Buddhist's, and Christian's spirit dies and is ressurected anew. There is life, death, an inbetween, and rebirth. To me, the Bible suggests that God will indeed bring back to life the one's who accept that phylosophy.
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Unread 05-21-2011, 02:42 PM
 
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All religion, my friend, is simply evolved out of fraud, fear, greed, imagination, and poetry. ~Edgar Allen Poe
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Unread 05-21-2011, 02:53 PM
 
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All religion, my friend, is simply evolved out of fraud, fear, greed, imagination, and poetry. ~Edgar Allen Poe
And power and control.
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Unread 05-21-2011, 04:56 PM
 
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I have to say I completely agree with Mr. Hawking. I'm sure a lot of the religionists here are upset and say he's "unqualified" to give this opinion. However I'm sure if a preacher, a priest, a rabbi, or the Pope ventured into a scientific opinion you'd all applaud that.
Nope (baring that it's not a priest, rabbi etc. who's actually qualified in that field, for there are some who are qualified)
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Unread 05-21-2011, 06:26 PM
 
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The Bible doesn't need critical thinking because it doesn't require it. That is unless you are studying it to try and understand the people who wrote it.

The Pope may understand protocols, and stories of religion well, but is no more an expert in God than Stephen Hawking or myself.

You just said something doesn't need something because it doesn't need something. That's the sound awfully similar to Bill O'Reilly's "Tidal Logic". Essentially, you're saying that the Bible does not require critical thinking, because you said so, which is pretty awful reason since I'm pretty sure you are neither a literary scholar nor a Biblical/theological scholar who's word I can take faith in being correct in such matters.

Also, I'd say the Pope is more an expert in God than Stephen Hawking, you, or myself, because he was spent much time studying God. To dismiss something without first studying it, especially something that could be so series, is foolish.
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Unread 05-21-2011, 08:47 PM
 
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You just said something doesn't need something because it doesn't need something. That's the sound awfully similar to Bill O'Reilly's "Tidal Logic". Essentially, you're saying that the Bible does not require critical thinking, because you said so, which is pretty awful reason since I'm pretty sure you are neither a literary scholar nor a Biblical/theological scholar who's word I can take faith in being correct in such matters.

Also, I'd say the Pope is more an expert in God than Stephen Hawking, you, or myself, because he was spent much time studying God. To dismiss something without first studying it, especially something that could be so series, is foolish.
Why does the Bible require critical thinking?, it's a book of opinion and historical half truths.

The Pope doesn't actually know that he has been studying God, he just thinks he has. He doesn't know any better than you or I, if he is actually making any sort of connection.
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Unread 05-21-2011, 09:01 PM
 
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Why does the Bible require critical thinking?, it's a book of opinion and historical half truths.

The Pope doesn't actually know that he has been studying God, he just thinks he has. He doesn't know any better than you or I, if he is actually making any sort of connection.

In order to understand what the Bible is trying to say, and not pull something like the Family Radio people, the Bible requires critical thinking. If one wishes to fully understand it and apply its lessons to their everyday life, it requires critical thinking, especially since much of what it has is written in metaphor, simile, and parable.

And you're right, the Pope doesn't know that he's been studying God, he believes it. However, he has spent much, MUCH, more time studying what he believes to be God than either of has. He knows how to interpret it better than you or I. I would say the same of the Dali Lama, who has a MUCH better understand of god, but in Bhuddist terms, than either of us, because he has spent much time studying what he believes to be god. My point here being, since people such as the Pope, the Dali Lama, and others have spent much time studying theology, I trust what they have to say on such matters, and choose to listen to the one that to me makes the most sense after having researched their beliefs (as I was taught in Catholic school believe it or not)
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Unread 05-21-2011, 10:44 PM
 
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U would think that the Pope and the Dalai Lama might have doctrinal differences. Who would you side with in the case of a disagreement?

IMO, applying "critical thinking" to the Bible and not seeing it as a collection of mythology requires a set of 'givens' which the reader must keep in mind.
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Unread 05-22-2011, 06:08 AM
 
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Also, I'd say the Pope is more an expert in God than Stephen Hawking, you, or myself, because he was spent much time studying God.
So then, would it follow that the Pope is an "Expert Christian"?
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