Stephen Hawking:heaven a "fairy story" (Commandments, Adam and Eve, children)

[Theophane]

Stephen Hawking must think he is omniscient.

[KCfromNC]

Originally Posted by Theophane

Stephen Hawking must think he is omniscient.

Just like anyone who thinks that any work of mythology is a fairy tale? Or are there some sort of special rules for certain types of mythology?

[LookinForMayberry]

So who is the "sinner" here?

I read the first three replies to the OP and stopped, wondering why Christians these days are so ready to break their Bible's injunctions. Matthew 7.1 is the first to come to mind, but what really caught me is the label of "fool."

Back to Matthew 5:22: "... whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire."

Albert Einstein believed in God's Creation. His God was big enough to encompass the science that God revealed to him and his fellow scientists.

My God in big enough to give me faith that I don't need to project where my spirit goes once it leaves this world. How strong is your faith? How big is your God?

[Theophane]

Originally Posted by sanspeur

All well and good allen, but that opinion would only be valid if your god exists just as you imagine him...Hawking deals in reality, not in things that cannot be examined or tested.

Hawking lives in his own head, in a world of abstract ideas. He is a high priest --a pope?-- of the religion called Scientism.

[Theophane]

Originally Posted by KCfromNC

Just like anyone who thinks that any work of mythology is a fairy tale? Or are there some sort of special rules for certain types of mythology?

I know I'm not omniscient. You've drawn a false equivalency.

[Campbell34]

Originally Posted by AREQUIPA

And my reply (Post #407)



I'm a bit surprised that our Pal C34, our resident unstable Isotope, hasn't come back to slap me down with his accustomed vigour and conviction. Perhaps he's pulling together all the Proofs of Wilkerson's revelations.


Well, I did a bit of research meself.

C34..."Wilkerson was killed on April 27, 2011. And during that 24 hour period America experienced it's worst tornado outbreak in it's history. Wilkerson was killed in Texas, and that is where this tornado outbreak started. Wilkerson warned the world that God was going to start useing (sic) the weather to warn mankind of God's coming judgement. Such facts should not be dismissed or overlooked."

As if I would.

"On April 27, 2011, while driving east on US Route 175 in Texas, Wilkerson crossed into the westbound lane and collided head-on with a tractor trailer. He was reportedly not wearing his seat belt,
and was pronounced dead on the scene. His wife was wearing a seat belt, and was injured." (Wiki)

Your suggestion that his death is being divinely mourned and punishment for his failure to wear a seat - belt in being visited on the Bible belt in the form of tornadoes of ludicrous. Tornado alley is where it is because:

"the middle latitudes, between about 30° and 50° North or South, provide the most favorable environment for tornadogenesis."

It comprises North and South Dakota, Nebraska, Kansas, Missouri Arkansas, Oklahomah and and only the north part of Texas is part of the centre of US tornado activity

tornado alley

"Tornado Alley is a nickname given to an area in the southern plains of the central U.S. that consistently experiences a high frequency of tornadoes each year.....Florida has numerous tornadoes simply due to the high frequency of almost daily thunderstorms...

NCDC: Tornadoes > Climatology

It is easy to say that predictions which have not panned out have simply not occurred - like Cayce's rising of Atlantis, the Second Coming and the many end - of - world predictions. When they are still relatively fresh, it is easy to hold them up as possible. After a long while, they are quietly forgotten.

The sooner this stuff is forgotten, the better.

"For ten years I have been warning about a thousand fires coming to New York City. It will engulf the whole megaplex, including areas of New Jersey and Connecticut. Major cities all across America will experience riots and blazing fires—such as we saw in Watts, Los Angeles, years ago.

There will be riots and fires in cities worldwide. There will be looting—including Times Square, New York City. What we are experiencing now is not a recession, not even a depression..."

Wilkerson probably believed his own ravings, as others believe they went to heaven, saw demons or are Jesus Christ come again, but I simply do not believe it and, as I post above, the REAL facts indicate that I'm right, and you are not.

"Wilkerson claimed to have received a vision in 1973 regarding the future of the United States, subsequently published in a book called The Vsion. Some of the subject areas of this reputed prophecy were: "Worldwide recession caused by economic confusion"; "Nature having labor pains"; "A flood of filth and a baptism of dirt in America"; "Rebellion in the home"; and "A persecution madness against truly Spirit filled Christians who love Jesus Christ".(Wiki)

However, this, from a believe in Wilkerson:

"...much of the rest of this book is Far less impressive. Prophetic statements given in the early 1970's - some have come true for sure, but virtually anyone could have (and many DID) in fact make similar predictions - including non-believers. These were simply rational predictions based on the way things were already going. Many others, however, have absolutely not been fulfilled. And for some of them, Wilkerson even gives a time period - eg within the next decade (ie before 1985). He speaks of a mighty revival in Finland, which will in turn spread into Russia (apparently around the time of 'perestroika' in Russsia, which occurred around the turn of 1990). I know of absolutely NO mammoth revival in Finland OR russia around this time, or at any time since.

Much of this book is therefore unimpressive. I was extremely disappointed with it, as I had (and still have)such a high opinion for Rev. Wilkerson - a truly anointed man of God,..."

Amazon.com: The Vision and Beyond, prophecies fulfilled and still to come (9780971218710): DAvid Wilkerson: Books

The two additional chapters (one significantly referring to 'fallen' towers) are of course later additions. Someone being wise (or inspired) after the event.

First let me say that I could care less about your latitudes. There are a number of states where we see tornado outbreaks every year. Yet again you ignore the fact that Wilkerson was killed in Texas during the 24 hours when America experienced, ( IT'S WORST TORNADO OUTBREAK). And it was the state of Texas where the weather system first formed. What are the chances of a man living for 79 years and warning the world that God would start useing natural disasters to warn mankind of His soon return. And then for that man to be killed during the 24 hours when America experiences it worst tornado outbreak? And killed in the state of Texas where these storms first formed?

The real facts indicate that you are wrong and in very deep denial. Wilkerson spoke of the thousand fires coming to New York City. I believe this is coming. Today it was just announced that America's unemployment just hit nine and a half percent. As a nation we are now over 14 Trillion dollars in debt and climbing fast. And there is no end in sight. When the president can nolonger borrow money from China. He will have to tell tens of millions of unemployed Americas. "Sorry, no more money for you." Wilkerson made that prediction years ago. However, those in the money world are now saying the very samething. Riots are coming. Now of course today you would deny this reality. Yet when it happens I have no doubt you will be saying. "Well, we all knew this was going to happen". That's pretty good when you can talk out of both sides of your mouth.

Wilkerson had a personal opinion about when all this would happen. However that opinion was not part of his vision. And in fact, this is what Wilkerson said in his book the Vision page 41.

"I do not know when all of these things will happen. They will not all happen simultaneously. These vials of wrath that God will pour upon the earth will be orchestrated by God's supernatural hand. All that I am really sure of is that the Holy Spirit had prompted me to warn everyone who will listen that these things are coming and conditions will worsen."

Now you can continue to push Wilkerson's personal opinions. Yet only what he saw in the vision will be shown to be accurate.

When Wilkerson told us in 1985 that before we would see the destruction of the United States we would first see a holocaust of oil fields burning in the Middle East. And then five years latter we saw over 700 oil fields in the Middle East ablaze. How can you conclude this did not happen?

When Wilkerson told us in 1974 that peace was coming to the United States, Russia, China, and Eastern Europe. How can you conclude this was a easy prophecy to make? I was 24 years old back then. And I can tell you. I though Wilkerson's prophecy was so far off the mark that I tossed Wilkerson book down on my work bench and told others that Wilkersons prophecy would never happen. Even when the Berlin wall came down 15 years later I heard newsmen on T.V. saying. Who could of predicted this? I guess they did not read Wilkerson's book.

Of course you can ignore all of this if you ignore Wilkerson's Vision, and only point to his personal opinions about his Vision. Usually it is the latter commentary that is found to be inaccurate. Wilkerson himself in his book told us, he really did not know when these things would be. Yet rather than accept his clear statement. Some will try to dismiss Wilkersons vision based on his personal opinions. Yet they do this, while they fully ignore what he actually saw.

[sanspeur]

Geez, are you still blathering about that Wilkerson guy? How many time are you going to repeat the same old crap? The topic here is Steven Hawking.

[Campbell34]

Originally Posted by sanspeur

Geez, are you still blathering about that Wilkerson guy? How many time are you going to repeat the same old crap? The topic here is Steven Hawking.

Wilkerson is in heven now. And he spoke of heven in his lifetime. And his prophecies confirm his truth. Stephen Hawking has no such truth to back up his disbelief in heven. And even that four year old boy knows more about heven then Stephen Hawkings.

[NorthGAbound12]

Originally Posted by Campbell34

Wilkerson is in heven now. And he spoke of heven in his lifetime. And his prophecies confirm his truth. Stephen Hawking has no such truth to back up his disbelief in heven. And even that four year old boy knows more about heven then Stephen Hawkings.

Prove it.

[LuminousTruth]

Originally Posted by Theophane

Hawking lives in his own head, in a world of abstract ideas. He is a high priest --a pope?-- of the religion called Scientism.

how amusing... you are basically saying that scientists are just as deluded as you are so nanananananaan!
trust me, "scientism" is the best believe.