What evidence WOULD it take to convince you of Jesus? (agnostics, Holy Spirit)

[jeffington]

Originally Posted by QuixoticHobbit

That's presuming God happens to be the Christian/Biblical god. And that's not remotely likely, especially considering his historical origins in ancient Sumerian mythology.

Well, I do think that unless specified otherwise, this forum is about the Christian god.

[Mr5150]

Originally Posted by fishbrains

That would be tough. After all, the evidence against is so overwhelming.

Originally Posted by Mr5150

Really? You have evidence?

Pray tell, do show us.

Originally Posted by SLCPUNK

Wrong.

You are the one making the claim, so therefore you should provide the proof of existence. If Jesus is real, then provide proof, something you simply can not do.

Sorry, but fishbrains said he had evidence. He made the claim of having evidence.

I am still waiting after 20 hours.

[jeffington]

Originally Posted by Mr5150

Sorry, but fishbrains said he had evidence. He made the claim of having evidence.

I am still waiting after 20 hours.

I have been waiting for over 20 years for somebody to produce even the slightest tendril of evidence that there is a god, and guess what, I am still waiting. Anybody out there with anything at all??

[Chango]

Originally Posted by jeffington

Well, I do think that unless specified otherwise, this forum is about the Christian god.

No, that's the CHRISTIANITY forum.

[MysticPhD]

Originally Posted by NorthGAbound12

First off all, I'd like to see even a shred of evidence. But really for me to totally convinced I'd pretty much need to see Jesus. Seeing is believing.

Originally Posted by jeffington

I have been waiting for over 20 years for somebody to produce even the slightest tendril of evidence that there is a god, and guess what, I am still waiting. Anybody out there with anything at all??

You cannot willy nilly discard all the existing scientific evidence about reality as "Not about God" without a scientific basis for it. To WHAT DO you attribute all the existing evidence? (Hint: Nature or "natural" are not answers just labels since they are part of what needs to be explained. Also . . . "it just is" is not an answer either.)

[mikebnllnb]

Originally Posted by MysticPhD

You cannot willy nilly discard all the existing scientific evidence about reality as "Not about God" without a scientific basis for it. To WHAT DO you attribute all the existing evidence? (Hint: Nature or "natural" are not answers just labels since they are part of what needs to be explained. Also . . . "it just is" is not an answer either.)

Why do you attribute the unknown to a deity?

[KangarooMan]

Originally Posted by jeffington

Well, I do think that unless specified otherwise, this forum is about the Christian god.

No, it's not. This is the religion and philosophy board. There is a Christian board for the Christian discussions.

[MysticPhD]

Originally Posted by mikebnllnb

Why do you attribute the unknown to a deity?

The sheer scale and scope of accounting for the creation of life, the control ("laws") and constraints (processes) that enable all existence . . . and the consistency that enables our science, etc. etc . . . has traditionally and logically been assigned the label God. NOTHING else captures it. That there are other attributes and "BELIEFS ABOUT" God added that bother you or you find unjustified is irrelevant . . . and is a separate issue. What we do have is sufficiently "Godly" to foreclose any denial of the EXISTENCE of God.

[Woodrow LI]

I see much evidence for the existence of God(swt) and do believe he is real. I have not seen any evidence that Jesus(as) is God(swt) or the Son of God

It would take quite a bit to convince me Jesus(as) is the son of God. First step would be to convince me there would be any need for God(swt) to even come to earth as his son.

[KangarooMan]

Originally Posted by MysticPhD

The sheer scale and scope of accounting for the creation of life, the control ("laws") and constraints (processes) that enable all existence . . . and the consistency that enables our science, etc. etc . . . has traditionally and logically been assigned the label God. NOTHING else captures it. That there are other attributes and "BELIEFS ABOUT" God added that bother you or you find unjustified is irrelevant . . . and is a separate issue. What we do have is sufficiently "Godly" to foreclose any denial of the EXISTENCE of God.

This is a flat assertion that was formed on the basis of received wisdom that required no effort to acquire. As such, it's INSTANTLY suspect.

Science is the tireless process of studying our surroundings, and the "laws" and "processes" you describe have been explained ad nauseum by scientists with far more understanding of our world than the silly theologians that chalk it up to a man with a white beard. Evolution, natural selection, tectonic plates, radioactive decay, etc., are all concepts that control life and the processes we witness on the earth. All of these conclusions take into account variables, and the conclusions are subject to change (which is what makes science great, and religion stupid.).

To flatly claim that "God does it" is not just a misguided assumption, but it's flat-out lazy and boring.

Religion has a lot of crimes against humanity. By far its biggest crime is encouraging laziness, like that of your responses.