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Old 05-26-2011, 07:38 AM
 
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Unfortunately not all of the religious holy books can be discussed on this forum so this is really an unfair fight specifically against christianity.

There are some religious books that are much worse than the bible.
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Old 05-26-2011, 07:56 AM
 
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Identical words in all languages have different shades of meanings and nuances and can mean completely different things in different contexts. But of course to admit that would throw a wrench into the anti-religious jihad so that too is ignored in order to plow ahead. Absolutely hilarious!
Rad, not worth answering a thread like this. They read verses in a vacuum without having the proper understanding or context. Let them have their fun and just sit back and enjoy the hypocrisy of their ways. No amount of explanation you ever give will be good enough.
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Old 05-26-2011, 08:03 AM
 
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Rad, not worth answering a thread like this. They read verses in a vacuum without having the proper understanding or context. Let them have their fun and just sit back and enjoy the hypocrisy of their ways. No amount of explanation you ever give will be good enough.
Pure irony.
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Old 05-26-2011, 08:33 AM
 
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I cannot fathom why some are so sold on the notion that "the Bible is flawless, and God's perfect word." I've no doubt that the original works are legitimate, but yes there are errors. The real point of the Bible is not to be an all-inclusive encyclopedia of right and wrong, it's more important purpose is to tell the world about the one true God(s), who he is and how we can commune with him. The whole purpose in preserving the Bible is to point to the true source of infinite and infallible wisdom: God himself.
Their leaders have told them so . . . mistakenly interpreting "inspired" as "dictated" using a passage about useful (profitable) for instruction in righteousness and to gives us hope. If it is to be useful for instruction in righteousness . . . it must have examples of both good and evil for us to discern for ourselves . . . like any good workbook.
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(properly divide)More excuses for the Bible of 'take what you like and ignore the rest'
Rationalization is that the 'bad' things got " screwed up in translation and years of transcription" and "the written ignorance of our ancient ancestors "
But, by god! not 'your' interpretation.
The OT had a specific purpose that did NOT include understanding the true nature of God because it is under the veil of ignorance of our savage and primitive ancestors. They believed in a smiting vengeful God who required sacrifices . . . misinterpreting the true "sacrifice" of developing self-control over our negative impulses by "love of God and each other." Jesus came to lift that veil and reveal the true nature of our loving God by example and teaching. There was never any doubt what our barbaric ancestors would do to Him because of that message. The NT describes our loving God. That is what is meant by properly dividing the scriptures. Jesus is the ONLY Word of God.
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Old 05-26-2011, 08:41 AM
 
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Unfortunately not all of the religious holy books can be discussed on this forum so this is really an unfair fight specifically against christianity.

There are some religious books that are much worse than the bible.
but that is not the point... the point is, is the bible the word of God or Men?
If it is the word of God, how come he think rape is ok? or is it the word of men, in a time that women were just property and rape was allowed as long as the women was not pledged.
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Old 05-26-2011, 08:46 AM
 
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Their leaders have told them so . . . mistakenly interpreting "inspired" as "dictated" using a passage about useful (profitable) for instruction in righteousness and to gives us hope. If it is to be useful for instruction in righteousness . . . it must have examples of both good and evil for us to discern for ourselves . . . like any good workbook.
The OT had a specific purpose that did NOT include understanding the true nature of God because it is under the veil of ignorance of our savage and primitive ancestors. They believed in a smiting vengeful God who required sacrifices . . . misinterpreting the true "sacrifice" of developing self-control over our negative impulses by "love of God and each other." Jesus came to lift that veil and reveal the true nature of our loving God by example and teaching. There was never any doubt what our barbaric ancestors would do to Him because of that message. The NT describes our loving God. That is what is meant by properly dividing the scriptures. Jesus is the ONLY Word of God.
So you are saying that the OT is all fake and made up by men, but the NT is the real thing..
Really?? is that your best argument??
Th
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Old 05-26-2011, 08:48 AM
 
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Their leaders have told them so . . . mistakenly interpreting "inspired" as "dictated" using a passage about useful (profitable) for instruction in righteousness and to gives us hope. If it is to be useful for instruction in righteousness . . . it must have examples of both good and evil for us to discern for ourselves . . . like any good workbook.
The OT had a specific purpose that did NOT include understanding the true nature of God because it is under the veil of ignorance of our savage and primitive ancestors. They believed in a smiting vengeful God who required sacrifices . . . misinterpreting the true "sacrifice" of developing self-control over our negative impulses by "love of God and each other." Jesus came to lift that veil and reveal the true nature of our loving God by example and teaching. There was never any doubt what our barbaric ancestors would do to Him because of that message. The NT describes our loving God. That is what is meant by properly dividing the scriptures. Jesus is the ONLY Word of God.
Really?
So the OT is fake and written by men but the new T is the actual word of god??
really? this is my main topic. if you take the bible word for word, then you must take the bible as a whole, if you just pick what you like and say that the rest is BS, then who decides what is the real word or not...
My opinion, the whole book is the word of men.. 100%
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Old 05-26-2011, 08:52 AM
 
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So you are saying that the OT is all fake and made up by men, but the NT is the real thing..
Really?? is that your best argument??
Th
I am sayong NO SUCH THING. God-inspired is God inspired and contains useful (profitable) instruction for our education in righteousness. But its main purpose is to prophesy about Christ, provide the validations of Him and to continue to provide those validated prophesies to this day to give us hope. The savage God they believed in was the result of their ignorance and that is the veil that is over the OT Jesus came to lift. The NT is about the true nature of God as revealed by Jesus Christ . . . THAT is why we are called Christians . . . not Jehovans . . . and that is what properly dividing the scriptures is all about.
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Old 05-26-2011, 09:09 AM
 
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but that is not the point... the point is, is the bible the word of God or Men?
If it is the word of God, how come he think rape is ok? or is it the word of men, in a time that women were just property and rape was allowed as long as the women was not pledged.
The Bible is obviously not infallible and is a mish-mosh of inspirations/wish lists from man and ???.

freethinker
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Old 05-26-2011, 09:41 AM
 
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I am sayong NO SUCH THING. God-inspired is God inspired and contains useful (profitable) instruction for our education in righteousness. But its main purpose is to prophesy about Christ, provide the validations of Him and to continue to provide those validated prophesies to this day to give us hope. The savage God they believed in was the result of their ignorance and that is the veil that is over the OT Jesus came to lift. The NT is about the true nature of God as revealed by Jesus Christ . . . THAT is why we are called Christians . . . not Jehovans . . . and that is what properly dividing the scriptures is all about.
So you dont believe in the OT but you do on the NT... is that what you are saying?
also if the NT was also God-inspired how can be sure is 100% true?
Also the NT was written by a non-witness decades later, how can you be sure is true?
No real eyewitness wrote the bible, but the store that was told and told and told again, every time you tell the story, it changes and changes and changes, in the true story you have a women that moved a 100 pound rock, but after decades of the story it was and angel and the rock was a mountain.
This you can do in a single day, where you have 20 people tell one story to one person and have him say the same story to another, and continue, when you get to the last person, the story is completely different.
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