was your parents created DNA?

[Hueffenhardt]

Originally Posted by ancient warrior

QUESTIONS:

>>from becoming more organized <<

1. Do they remain organized?

2. If so, and this is an orgoing happening, and unlimited time is available, wouldn't all matter be so organized by now?

3. In short, no entropy?

1. No, they don't remain organized, eventually a star dies, and depending on what kind of star it was, it might blow up destroying its solar system if it had one and dispersing its gases far and wide.

Oh, I just realized that you might be asking if the molecules stay organized. Generally not, just as our bodies will eventually decay in the ground, so will our DNA be broken about by micro-organisms. Some DNA can be preserved for a long time in the right conditions, but eventually, it all breaks down.

2. The universe is getting colder, and the latest predictions suggest that the universe will continue to expand forever, getting cooler and cooler. So, entropy will still rule supreme. But, it takes a long time to get to that point.

3. As I said, entropy / disorganization will win in the end. The pockets of greater organization do eventually break down.

[ancient warrior]

Originally Posted by Hueffenhardt

1. No, they don't remain organized, eventually a star dies, and depending on what kind of star it was, it might blow up destroying its solar system if it had one and dispersing its gases far and wide.

Oh, I just realized that you might be asking if the molecules stay organized. Generally not, just as our bodies will eventually decay in the ground, so will our DNA be broken about by micro-organisms. Some DNA can be preserved for a long time in the right conditions, but eventually, it all breaks down.

2. The universe is getting colder, and the latest predictions suggest that the universe will continue to expand forever, getting cooler and cooler. So, entropy will still rule supreme. But, it takes a long time to get to that point.

3. As I said, entropy / disorganization will win in the end. The pockets of greater organization do eventually break down.

RESPONSE:

There's something I am not following in your explanation.

When did such "organization" (contrary to dispersion) begin? And if we have had endless time for it to "eventually break down," why hasn't it done so by now?

[Hueffenhardt]

Originally Posted by ancient warrior

RESPONSE:

There's something I am not following in your explanation.

When did such "organization" (contrary to dispersion) begin? And if we have had endless time for it to "eventually break down," why hasn't it done so by now?

The universe hasn't become completely disorganized yet because we have not had endless time for it to happen. The universe began in what is referred to as the Big Bang between 13.3 and 13.9 billion years ago. So, it has only had that long for energy to cool to become quarks, then protons and neutrons, then atoms and molecules, stars and solar systems, and galaxies.

So, from the very moment the universe started as a closed system, entropy began as the universe cooled and the space expanded. But, also, shortly after the Big Bang, isolated pockets of greater organization began to form. The net effect throughout the universe was still an increase in entropy, but pockets of greater organization did develop. These isolated pockets go through cycles of greater then lessor organization as stars form then explode in supernovas and then form again.

You asked "when did such "organization" begin?" I am not sure if I understand exactly what you want to know, but I think the best way to answer you is with a timeline.

Here is a link to the timeline of the Big Bang on wiki. Timeline of the Big Bang - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

If one considers particles to be a more complex organization than energies not in the form of particles, then we see the first organization of particles took place between 10^(–36) seconds and 10^(–12) seconds after the Big Bang. Does that answer your question of when "organization began"?

[ancient warrior]

Originally Posted by Hueffenhardt

The universe hasn't become completely disorganized yet because we have not had endless time for it to happen. The universe began in what is referred to as the Big Bang between 13.3 and 13.9 billion years ago. So, it has only had that long for energy to cool to become quarks, then protons and neutrons, then atoms and molecules, stars and solar systems, and galaxies.

So, from the very moment the universe started as a closed system, entropy began as the universe cooled and the space expanded. But, also, shortly after the Big Bang, isolated pockets of greater organization began to form. The net effect throughout the universe was still an increase in entropy, but pockets of greater organization did develop. These isolated pockets go through cycles of greater then lessor organization as stars form then explode in supernovas and then form again.

You asked "when did such "organization" begin?" I am not sure if I understand exactly what you want to know, but I think the best way to answer you is with a timeline.

Here is a link to the timeline of the Big Bang on wiki. Timeline of the Big Bang - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

If one considers particles to be a more complex organization than energies not in the form of particles, then we see the first organization of particles took place between 10^(–36) seconds and 10^(–12) seconds after the Big Bang. Does that answer your question of when "organization began"?

QUESTION:

Thanks for your response.

The next logical question is to ask what preceeded the Big Bang?

[Hueffenhardt]

Originally Posted by ancient warrior

QUESTION:

Thanks for your response.

The next logical question is to ask what preceeded the Big Bang?

That question goes beyond my understanding, and perhaps beyond what physicists currently know. However, there are a number of competing cutting-edge possible ideas. I don't believe that I could do any of them justice, sorry.

[ancient warrior]

Originally Posted by Hueffenhardt

That question goes beyond my understanding, and perhaps beyond what physicists currently know. However, there are a number of competing cutting-edge possible ideas. I don't believe that I could do any of them justice, sorry.

RESPONSE:
Yes. The speculative scenarios of what happened before the Big Bang would seem to include that of the bouncing universe, eternal inflation, and the ekpyrotic something.

But the inescapable fact would be that before there was a physical reality, something had to exist since "from nothing, only nothing comes."

What might always have existed?

[Hueffenhardt]

Originally Posted by ancient warrior

What might always have existed?

I don't know. But, I do know that know one else does either.

It gets tricky when we talk about time before the Big Bang because time and space began with the universe. Time/space is actually one thing (that one fact is enough to already blow our minds). But, time/space is a property of our universe, and is contained within our universe. Once you imagine leaving the universe, who knows what might exist. We like to think that there is a separate timeline in some outside space that the formation of our universe lies on, but it may not be like that as difficult as that is to imagine. Heck, it is hard enough for me to imagine that time/space are one thing and matter/energy are one thing.

Did you know that physicists have created balanced fields in which the energy appears to be zero since they cancel each other out, and then out of that zero pops two sub-atomic particles, one matter, one anti-matter; both quickly decayed into gamma rays? But, for all intents and purposes, it seems like something came from nothing, but really there were two energies canceling each other out.

And magnetic fields amaze me. How does a particle send fields that appear to act at a distance? Truth truly is stranger than fiction.

I think there might be a multiverse that just is (a set of all universes). Some people think there might be a god. One thing is for sure, the concept of god doesn't solve any of these questions; it just pushes back the questions another step. Same goes for the multiverse, if there is one. None of the hows are addressed until somebody figures out a way to answer them.

[ancient warrior]

Hueffenhardt replied:

Originally Posted by ancient warrior: What might always have existed?

>>I don't know. But, I do know that know one else does either. <<

RESPONSE:
But it is evident that some entity always existed. And all other new entities came from it. Some claim it is God.

>>It gets tricky when we talk about time before the Big Bang because time and space began with the universe. Time/space is actually one thing (that one fact is enough to already blow our minds). But, time/space is a property of our universe, and is contained within our universe. Once you imagine leaving the universe, who knows what might exist. We like to think that there is a separate timeline in some outside space that the formation of our universe lies on, but it may not be like that as difficult as that is to imagine. Heck, it is hard enough for me to imagine that time/space are one thing and matter/energy are one thing.<<

RESPONSE:
I have no difficulty with the concept. It seems most probable that whatever entity always existed is other than matter and energy.

>>Did you know that physicists have created balanced fields in which the energy appears to be zero since they cancel each other out, and then out of that zero pops two sub-atomic particles, one matter, one anti-matter; both quickly decayed into gamma rays? But, for all intents and purposes, it seems like something came from nothing, but really there were two energies canceling each other out.<<

>>And magnetic fields amaze me. How does a particle send fields that appear to act at a distance? Truth truly is stranger than fiction.<<

RESPONSE:
Yes. I think you are talking about the Casimir effect involving virtual photons. I don’t see how this can be considered the creating of something from nothing.

>>I think there might be a multiverse that just is (a set of all universes). Some people think there might be a god. One thing is for sure, the concept of god doesn't solve any of these questions; it just pushes back the questions another step. Same goes for the multiverse, if there is one. None of the hows are addressed until somebody figures out a way to answer them.<<

RESPONSE:
Some already have. The term “multiverse” is somewhat of a misnomer since the universe already comprises everything that exists: the entirety of space, time, matter, and energy as well as the physical laws and constants that describe them.

Wasn’t it William James that came up with that idea. I wonder why? The multiverse concept can be used to support some religious philosophies, for example, it’s found in Hindu Puranic literature.

It can also be used as an explanation for an invisible heaven and an invisible God.