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Old 06-04-2011, 06:40 PM
 
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I see plenty of evidence for God, and wonder how unbelievers can be so blind, but I agree I can't prove it to someone else. I'm glad to see you agree that the poster doesn't really know with the authority he/she claims.

I don't think he knows for sure and neither do you.....

Neither one of you can prove a thing as far as I am concerned....

You see proof, others don't see proof...

Sorry but a bible is not proof....

Faith just is it cannot be proven...

And I do see atheists as being more credible than religious people with what they say...
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Old 06-04-2011, 06:51 PM
 
Location: Free State of Texas
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I don't think he knows for sure and neither do you.....

Neither one of you can prove a thing as far as I am concerned....

You see proof, others don't see proof...

Sorry but a bible is not proof....

Faith just is it cannot be proven...
I think we're saying the same thing.

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And I do see atheists as being more credible than religious people with what they say...
I find it odd that you, as a Jew, often align yourself with the athiests on this board.
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Old 06-04-2011, 06:53 PM
 
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I think we're saying the same thing.



I find it odd that you, as a Jew, often align yourself with the athiests on this board.
I don't...

I am friends with Jewish atheists....

Jews are thinkers and questioners....


This is what you are saying:

Originally Posted by jimmiej
I see plenty of evidence for God, and wonder how unbelievers can be so blind, but I agree I can't prove it to someone else. I'm glad to see you agree that the poster doesn't really know with the authority he/she claims.

I am not agreeing with you at all... I don't see it as blindness...

I am saying that your evidence is not proof and the lack of evidence is not proof...

Neither side can prove 100%.

Believers take what they believe on faith...

Atheists take what they believe because they see a lack of proof for a G-d..

Belief is based on faith.... Faith is not provable...
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Old 06-04-2011, 06:54 PM
 
Location: Blankity-blank!
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If your god loves you, then why would he have created, cancer, heart disease, asthma, rabies, leprosy, multiple schlerose, muscular distrophy etc al.
Maybe god was bored.
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Old 06-04-2011, 07:09 PM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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I see plenty of evidence. I'd still to know how the poster can be 100% sure there is no god.
He's not, but how can you be so sure there is? What you claim as evidence for your god is evidence for nature...There has never been any evidence for any of the thousands of gods invented during the history of man, and I think you know that. You believe because you want to believe.
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Old 06-04-2011, 07:12 PM
 
Location: Free State of Texas
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I don't...

I am friends with Jewish atheists....

Jews are thinkers and questioners....

I'm friends with athiests too, but I don't agree with them about spiritual matters. That's my point.
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Old 06-04-2011, 07:17 PM
 
Location: Free State of Texas
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He's not,
He seemed to be.

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but how can you be so sure there is? What you claim as evidence for your god is evidence for nature...There has never been any evidence for any of the thousands of gods invented during the history of man,
I disagree.

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You believe because you want to believe.
No, I believe because God called me to belief.
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Old 06-04-2011, 07:30 PM
 
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He seemed to be.



I disagree.



No, I believe because God called me to belief.
He called you to belief.... That is the faith and it is not provable...

I have a Jewish soul, and I was brought to Judaism and when I became Jewish I came home. But I would never expect others to agree, understand or believe as I do.

My faith is mine and it is not provable, it is just mine and that is the difference..
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Old 06-04-2011, 07:43 PM
 
Location: Free State of Texas
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He called you to belief.... That is the faith and it is not provable...

I have a Jewish soul, and I was brought to Judaism and when I became Jewish I came home. But I would never expect others to agree, understand or believe as I do.

My faith is mine and it is not provable, it is just mine and that is the difference..
No, actually the same.

Why do you, as a Jew, think athiests are more credible than religious people?
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Old 06-04-2011, 07:48 PM
 
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No, actually the same.

Why do you, as a Jew, think athiests are more credible than religious people?

I see atheists as thinkers. I think many religious people are simply religious because that is how they were raised.

It takes alot to walk away from indoctrination and I believe most who become agnostic and atheist have done just that..

I also think that any religion that believes all who don't believe as they do are headed to hell is problematic.
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