gentle, sensitive men and Christ (gospel, Christians, Jesus, gay)

[Thomas R.]

It is true though that in some places these traits can make a man, or more accurately an adolescent, be deemed "gay." I don't think this is something Christianity encourages really, it just seems to be a thing many adolescent males go through. I think at that age the differences between boys and girls get more noticeable, but males are sometimes confused on where the dividing line is or what masculinity means. So at that age they may gravitate toward exaggerated versions of what's deemed "male behavior." And in our culture "male behavior" gravitates toward crassness, aggression, arrogance, stubbornness, and decisiveness. While according to Pew Research things like compassion, creativity, and even honesty are far more associated to women. (Although the negative trait of "manipulative" is also linked to women in US public imagination)

Court of Public Opinion Sides with Women on Empathy - Pew Research Center

Interestingly I think I may have been aware of this at the time, but when you're a fifteen-year-old boy being intellectually aware of a thing doesn't quite make the emotional impact of being called "q***r" and made the subject of crude drawings much easier.

[Sir Les]

Originally Posted by Ringwielder

I am not gay, but have never wanted to go hunting, shooting and fishing. Cars and fast bikes dont give me a thrill. I really, really dont like boxing, cage fighting or any other sports of a violent nature. I cry at the movies. I love nature and the countryside and music is of great importance to me.... my musical tastes are toward ballads and the gentler stuff.

I am English but live in the USA.. I can get away with my less than 'tough' 'macho' image by passing it off as 'European' even men seem to accept this more readily than if i said I was in touch with my feminine side.... and living in the midwest it does appear that there are many men who fit your description.

Is it in harmony with Christianity and Jesus? I dont know. When I was a believer, I wanted God to be my 'heavenly father', a loving Creator who would always have his protective 'arm' around me. Instead, my reading of the Bible and my experiences in life always gave me the impression that God was not that kind of Creator at all. I always felt I was never good enough, never doing enough and constantly being watched by him and he became a toxic parent because I had ended up with real issues of self esteem. Jesus words seem a little more loving but even so were always tinged with threats...or maybe that was seeing them through the prism of my religion.

Conservatives... well as far as I understand it in the USA... Conservatism seems to view ALL poor people as lazy scroungers who want to live off other peoples hard work. There is little room for compassion or love in this worldview.

I do believe however that if you possess these 'gentler' traits then that is perfectly acceptable and even a privilege, because it allows us to 'feel' and even though we get more hurt than others at times, I would not want to be without that heightened sense of sensitivity.

I wish you well on your life's journey Rlarson.

"The meek and mild shall inherit the Earth"...So never you mind your timmidness nor being gentle..and kind to all living things....When Jesus comes...he will seek people like You out...because you are to be hiers to this world with him and God...Nothing to worry about...if you keep your self from sin...and keep playing your music...stay in touch with the wilderness, the spirit of Good will......and as always stay safe...till that time comes!...try to fulfill alittle of what God asked we do...tend and keep the Garden...for free!...Share Like God shares!...no money required!

"They will turn their weapons into Plowsheers and Prunning Hooks"...Because war and murder are the same thing, and incurr the same punishment!...See...it is about the Garden after all!...and certain plants being restored, that they have been prohibiting for a very long time....Genesis 1:11, 1:12, 1:29, *2:15*,** 9:3**, Rev 17:17, with.. Acts 3:21, *10:15* as a side kick in the head...not to profane what God has judged as Good, or made clean !.....nothing omitted, nothing taken away, nothing prohibited......These Are all Givens...and so they should be Given, and shared, and made more of...so more can have Life in doing what God asked we do.

Now look they are out slaughtering Marijuana Growers and poppies, and sheep and goat herders......wonder why?

It is called logical progressions in the ANti God, Anti Christ, Anti Eden, Anti Life ordeal!....The IDOL takes away those Givens, and makes you pay for them, and takes you away from doing that service in the Garden freely!!!....the less there is, Because of the disobediance in holding that IDOL for LIFE more and more important for life, the more you pay!..in more than one way!...as death is with the IDOL constantly!..because it breaks a commandment of God...and then all the other sins and evils abound...asking for human sacrifices and such into their bent warmongering ways!...oppressing to make destitution arise with them and terror be their only means to end the tiranny, and then saying lies to make those wars be upon what they created by the oppression....as we are now witness to.

Weapons of mass destruction?..a lie told to make war.

Free trade?....Nothing is free under that IDOL.

Liberty and freedom for all?..(not Marijuana or poppy Growers).only those who break the laws of God are free?

In God we trust?...which God are they trusting in or refering to?,,,if they hold an IDOL of Engraven Form in their hands as a necessity for life?...then it is not the God of Life they trust in!

the Money now Lies about it's marked value, and its set value..which contantly changes as the markets fluxuate....so the marked engraven value is a lie...for the marked engraven value is not what dictates its true value...if we really think about it...money is nothing and is worth nothing...it is mearly a poor motivator and really a bad idea....as sharing acccomplishes more when everyone helps out of their hearts, and does something for God...so God can help us!

A lie is something that is not truthful....and liars speak them words.

All Lies and Liars come from Satan.....So draw your lines...and walk a safe path....Christ is coming soon...if not already here...testing the waters.

[Radrook]

There is a fine line between sensitivity, caring, being compassionate, artistic and being purposefully or unintentionally effeminate. Since people are so suspicious in this culture it's best to err on the gruff side of the divide.

[old_cold]

"To the victor belongs the spoils"
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We humans haven't come all that far

[ChristyGrl]

Originally Posted by Asheville Native

Have you noticed that of all the virtues that christians go on about repeatedly and holds up as an example of what good christians are, and what the do, that intelligence is never mentioned. Wonder why

Because most Christians "intelligence" has to be checked at the door...their shepherds will have it no other way...or they might find out what they've been taught is NOT the truth.

[Thomas R.]

I'm thinking physical strength is also not mentioned one way or the other.

On its own intelligence or strength isn't really a virtue. A really intelligent terrorist is not better for society than a dumb one, quite the contrary. A really strong serial-killer isn't better than a physically weak one. Strength or intelligence can be great, but they're not inherently moral or good. It depends on how you use them.

Still there are things in the Bible praising knowledge and/or wisdom. Also scholarship and learning are important to a host of religions.

[Sir Les]

If we gage intelligence by being smart or witty in solving problems....Then listening to the master builder's instructions would go a long way in making Edens abound in a natural estate of life...if we take things as Givens from Genesis 9:3..and think about Rev 17:17 being something to fulfill God's word and will to the letter of the laws, precepts and covenants...and all life in toe....If something was taken..and we are to be forgiven for that...shouldn't putting it back be of some large part of that forgiveness?....Seeing as it is mentioned in Biblical terms as a plant or tree of some kind...and it says it is a tree of "knowledge of Good (Being why God put it in the Garden) and Bad (What Humans use it for)"...we can draw a line to what God is on about..perhaps?.....Not touching it or eating from it....as it may have been the only one left of its kind...see Genesis story...one of a kind at the center of the Garden...and God wanted the seeds from the fruits of it....which Adam and Eve ate....thus killing any means to continue the life of this very important plant or tree to make more with.....which ties into the Solar aspect, the Water Aspect, the Soil aspect, the electrical aspect, and the fractal and then decay aspects in mycelliums in the soils... and some how connects to God....kind of like a controller over other plants, virus and bacteria...and the seeds very important Omega, and Delta properties...maybe for the Birds he loves to feed?....anyway....Intelligence seems to be a fitting uderstanding of how the whole thing works.....Now as I read it, something is taken without permission by our fore Fathers and Mothers..(ADAM AND EVE)..and putting it back in the opposite manner in which it was taken...seems befitting of the rest of the Biblical Law of Gods commandments, in essence to make us conform....to make us sinless enough to RESTORE Eden and make EDENS all over the Earth, and into the heavens...again..something in line with God, to make life out of dead worlds...and spread life so more can have life.....If God Gives us this, and only sinless souls can do this right....then intelligence is secondary.....it's not rocket science to sow seeds sinlessly, and fulfill for God By restoring sinlessly what is Good..As God said it was, and blessed it, .....So who is making plants Profaned?....the people who want a detramental to take its place....

Industrial madness is not intelligent if it pollutes the planet, and other living things...which are eaten by us....and removing plants God amde good, and making them bad, that we depend on for the waters to be sweet, the Earth to be protected from the sun, by making the dome of ozone, and that which makes it safe on this world to live on...and the lands and soils enriched....Not with Blood and constant sin killing people for a bent and ungodly way of life....still killing people?...still lying?...and still polluting...and making that economic estate to pay pay pay and sacrifice more more more, more important than people living for free?..and sinlessly?>...how can one be free if we have to pay or enslave ourselves and others to a piece of metal or stamped Paper made from engraven plates no one else has rights to?....If God said in his laws of Life, Not to make such things?

Disobediance of the God of Life....is a Sin...and it is mentioned in this book, that sin begets death...and since we have not put it down after Christ, and now the world humans have made is based on this premise of making an IDOLIC STATE, and some people do not know God, nor Christ yet, so no one fulfills the word and will rightfully so....we all die under that IDOL....

Intelligence speaks of stupidity.....but I'd say, it is better to be stupid and fulffill the word of God...which is not a burden..not very difficult to do...and once it is restored....then Share Like God shares everything...and in the sharing...caring for other living things comes as second nature.....If we start with that ideal...we communicate the Love of God onto them other living things...and in time...they would surely see us as not a threat...and may even cooperate on some level helping us help them.....friends of God...or that kingdom?...and in doing the greator Good for all living things...God turns to helping us....with all of them...working together to make dead worlds Live.

Is this not what Christ shows us with his own death and pointing out what makes sin and evil abound under it?....and before dying by way of Murderers taking out his light of that truth, saying it is fulfilled....?....what was fulfilled by his murderious death and reserection there after?....showing who the real sinners are no doubt first hand...?...and after his death...them sinners rounded up all those who listened to his truth..and slaughtered them to....again showing us how Evil and ugly these people are...and since then the killing has only magnified more so...and murdering people in some circles is rewarded and glorified....is this intelligence?...

Making machines which pollute not only the living things, but the air, waters and soils from which our food comes....and more machines do the teadious tasks humans do not want to do...and mass produce the bounties of the Earth....so less payment in the system is necessary for doing...cause machines do not need to be paid....but the price to pay to live in such systems, only seems to increase...even when way more people are born into it, paying more taxes....always going up in cost...to have less to do...and now working for it to be polluted...instead of working for God in the Garden making it clean and presteen...sowing all seeds...they prohibite some, and profane others, so they can continue to make detramantals occur in the system which supports Life with death constantly....so more sickness and suffering abound, so they can make necessary the ideal of Money being some bent and twisted need....more hospitals, more pharmacuticals..more research to cure what cannot be cured with money in hand...or on the mind in need for, or making it, a necessity to have need of....for life.

If sharing is Godly...Genesis 9:3...and everything is Given freely to all....then what is the need to pay or make other Engraven IDOLS and altars for?...if sin is the reason for death...to stop sinning would be prudent....in my understanding.



God showing he has the power over life and death....as sin begets death...being sinless should beget life....but doing what God asked and made us for in tending to the matters of the Garden estate...seems to now put God, and all his people into some for of contention with the so called intelligent fools now undermining their own planet for bent profits and gains using lies and liars to make more sin and evil and wars and hatred, which they have attached all tax payers to in some form...oppressing, sanctioning, and overruling what is really true...so a LIAR can control the destany of this world...to some bent a twisted end.....when it could vurtually last much much longer....and have more people doing it the right way would help us make more in the end....but intelligence of some unknown force wants to pollute and destroy the Free ideal...and keep us in death...mutating under the pollution...which feeds the pharmacuticals companies, and building more hospitals, so more can work in treating, and paying more taxes..and a higher price to live....which creates even more problems....as it now snowballs out of control into chaos..corruption..and bent Justice for the very rich..but not for the layman...wonder why?

$atan....Seems to be a Evil ideal...So when this estate comes....as it is coming...and the earth is polluted beyond restoration...and all the living things die because of the stupidity of their so called intelligence....and human flesh is served hot and cold...and the ozone depletes due to the uncleanness being pumped into it...and the sun's uv rays scorch the last plants and vapourize the waters so no rain comes.....and killing humans is all that is left to do, to live and eat...then maybe...just maybe...they will open their eyes to reason....might be to late then for them?......As I do see God trying to stop us from going down this pathway of industrial madness and idolatry......by sending Jesus The Christ to us to point it out to them and kicking at it, and it and them out of his fathers house....should we not follow him in action?.....Hmmm?

"Woe to them who harm the Earth"....I think Nuclear weapons testing, and the sciences which sprouted from it, does just that, with toxic waste, and radiated estates...which do eventually cause more problems....intelligence would be to solve them..not make em!...but in a backwards world...making detramentals profits some people more!

[catman]

Originally Posted by Radrook

There is a fine line between sensitivity, caring, being compassionate, artistic and being purposefully or unintentionally effeminate. Since people are so suspicious in this culture it's best to err on the gruff side of the divide.

Define "effeminate". I'm not gay, but I don't care much what people think. I've heard that it's good for men to show their "feminine side", but where does that cross over into "effeminate"? The whole idea that being sensitive, caring, compassionate, etc. is evidence of gayness, or the province of women, is bogus as far as I'm concerned. I think your Jesus would agree.

[Ringwielder]

Originally Posted by Ringwielder
...... fast bikes dont give me a thrill.


Huh????

Lol... I mean that I see guys standing around a car or motorbike getting almost orgasmic over what I see as just a lump of metal from getting from A to B and I just dont get it.

[Radrook]

Catman: Define "effeminate".

Characterized by typical femalish gestures, tone of voice and other female mannerisms.

I'm not gay,--

Never crossed my mind.

....but I don't care much what people think.

I do because not caring can make life unpleasant via irrational people reactions.

I've heard that it's good for men to show their "feminine side"

I don't consider compassion, empathy, courtesy and basic decency as exclusively feminine traits. Lived too long and seen too much to make that mistake.

....but where does that cross over into "effeminate"?

That in itself never crosses over. What crosses over are certain tones of voice, facial expressions and other such mannerisms which are usually identified with females.

The whole idea that being sensitive, caring, compassionate, etc. is evidence of gayness, or the province of women, is bogus as far as I'm concerned. I think your Jesus would agree.

I agree 100%!