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Old 06-07-2011, 01:47 AM
 
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Amino acids do not make life...there has to be a catalyst...cause they have been playing with amino acids for years...and nothing comes of it that represents life....although amino acids are part of it...they are not responcible for it....something already living has to add something to the pot luck.

So I feel ...that plants are the base point of the identity being over looked by Science....Plants need helpers...and so out of the mud...they created US.

They are intelligent.
They use the SUN effiently and even call for it to be...and so it is.
They Call the waters, and transpire and filter it to the air, so it rains...and that helpes more life live...and make mud to make us...so we sow more plants, to make more life ...etc.

The plants when dying decompose into mycelliums and fungus/Fungi...which is another state of life....it all works for the construct program...of GOD...God being TRUTH...a Higher intelligence!

The plants are also electrical in nature, using low levels they are able to communicate with eachother through the Matrix of Mycelliums they produce in the soils...when certain plants are sown...in a certain way....then the ground becomes HOLY....meaning clean, presteen, and ready to fruit...Manna,...

Something about that idea...seems more fitting a solution to the question How did we come to be what we are.

If you ask me to take God out of the equation....then I cannot answer the question correctly.

Is God the sower of plants or the maker of them?...Could be...and by putting some of God into that plant...maybe something was truthful about telling Adam not to eat from a specific one of a kind plant....maybe because God was in it?....eating God does not make one a God....and putting back that plant in its rightful place , sinlessly...should reverse something...if we are forgiven...then things should go back to the way they were suppose to be......are we helpers of the Garden and God?...or are we trying to destroy that ideal?...and the planet?....saying there is no God...and we do not have to take care of the plants or animals in any state of welbeing....we can pollute, and lute the planet as we see fit...not worrying about what makes it tick or talk....Just plunder the whole thing...with no regards for what is living here with us.....Surely I see a shameful embrace of the words foolishness...But intelligent people destroying the planet, saying there is no God...and we evolved from a chemical soup of amino acids...has yet to prove that conceptual estate.....and what brings all the elements together to form the amino acids in one place?....if this is all from a Big bang?....how does order come from disorder?.....it does not come on its own...as we all know...order has to come into being, by a designer.....and there is enough proof....it is just that people ignor or repute that proof....while having no other credible proof to offer in its place....as is..or as we see, or know exist here and now....with us...to make Gardens with...we need plants...and plants need us...and there are many planets that would love to harbour Living things....as they are dead and meaningless without Life....So if we are in the image of God..we should share like god...and make Gardens all over the earth...and when that is done....make new worlds live...and multiply the givens..

But science and governing bodies cannot see past the Dollar signs....which bound them down to sin and evil and chaos and corruption..lies and liars...never really solving the Question...cause they cannot....

The answer is God made it all happen....and we are making it all unhappen...but we might come to grips with our own stupidity soon...as the world is detramentally being harmed by Scientific stupidity again...playing with things they should really leave alone.

Anti Matter?....Anti God...Anti Christ,...Anti Eden or Garden...Anti Life!



Nothing more?
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Old 06-07-2011, 03:48 AM
 
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Why is it so difficult to think that the components for what we think of as 'life' have always existed without a conceivable beginning?
Theists seem to have no problem thinking that about their god.
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Old 06-07-2011, 05:53 AM
 
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At no point in time has any scientist ever been able to create life from non living material...
Which doesn't necessarily mean it won't happen. Planet Earth was orbiting around the sun for millions of years before there was any life here. Human science hasn't had nearly as much time.
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Old 06-07-2011, 06:11 AM
 
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Its important to know that I am not a religious person. Lets say there is no God or that a God is not needed to explain the universe. Somthing that puzzles me is what exactly created or formed life itself. At no point in time has any scientist ever been able to create life from non living material, and furthermore, if a scientist were infact able to create an animate object from inanimate material, it would only strengthen the argument for a Creator God because it would prove that an inteligent mind is needed to create life

What do atheists think about this?
I think it sounds a lot like the arguments in favor of vitalism in the 17th century. Proponents of that idea insisted that we could never synthesize organic compounds from non-organic ones because even if we had the chemistry right, there would be vital spark or essence missing. Turns out those people were assuming the need for magic where there was just normal chemistry and physics going on.

Building life is an engineering problem, and also a problem with a definition of what's alive and what isn't. There's nothing fundamentally magic about life any more than there's magic in organic chemistry.
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Old 06-07-2011, 07:04 AM
 
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Enough time to ramble along chaotically helter skelter awaiting for billions of happy accidents to kick in!
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Old 06-07-2011, 09:18 AM
 
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Its important to know that I am not a religious person. Lets say there is no God or that a God is not needed to explain the universe. Somthing that puzzles me is what exactly created or formed life itself. At no point in time has any scientist ever been able to create life from non living material, and furthermore, if a scientist were infact able to create an animate object from inanimate material, it would only strengthen the argument for a Creator God because it would prove that an inteligent mind is needed to create life

What do atheists think about this?
Nonsensical. (In the extreme).
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Old 06-07-2011, 09:29 AM
 
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Amino acids do not make life...there has to be a catalyst...cause they have been playing with amino acids for years...and nothing comes of it that represents life....although amino acids are part of it...they are not responcible for it....something already living has to add something to the pot luck.

So I feel ...that plants are the base point of the identity being over looked by Science....Plants need helpers...and so out of the mud...they created US.

They are intelligent.
They use the SUN effiently and even call for it to be...and so it is.
They Call the waters, and transpire and filter it to the air, so it rains...and that helpes more life live...and make mud to make us...so we sow more plants, to make more life ...etc.

The plants when dying decompose into mycelliums and fungus/Fungi...which is another state of life....it all works for the construct program...of GOD...God being TRUTH...a Higher intelligence!

The plants are also electrical in nature, using low levels they are able to communicate with eachother through the Matrix of Mycelliums they produce in the soils...when certain plants are sown...in a certain way....then the ground becomes HOLY....meaning clean, presteen, and ready to fruit...Manna,...

Something about that idea...seems more fitting a solution to the question How did we come to be what we are.

If you ask me to take God out of the equation....then I cannot answer the question correctly.

Is God the sower of plants or the maker of them?...Could be...and by putting some of God into that plant...maybe something was truthful about telling Adam not to eat from a specific one of a kind plant....maybe because God was in it?....eating God does not make one a God....and putting back that plant in its rightful place , sinlessly...should reverse something...if we are forgiven...then things should go back to the way they were suppose to be......are we helpers of the Garden and God?...or are we trying to destroy that ideal?...and the planet?....saying there is no God...and we do not have to take care of the plants or animals in any state of welbeing....we can pollute, and lute the planet as we see fit...not worrying about what makes it tick or talk....Just plunder the whole thing...with no regards for what is living here with us.....Surely I see a shameful embrace of the words foolishness...But intelligent people destroying the planet, saying there is no God...and we evolved from a chemical soup of amino acids...has yet to prove that conceptual estate.....and what brings all the elements together to form the amino acids in one place?....if this is all from a Big bang?....how does order come from disorder?.....it does not come on its own...as we all know...order has to come into being, by a designer.....and there is enough proof....it is just that people ignor or repute that proof....while having no other credible proof to offer in its place....as is..or as we see, or know exist here and now....with us...to make Gardens with...we need plants...and plants need us...and there are many planets that would love to harbour Living things....as they are dead and meaningless without Life....So if we are in the image of God..we should share like god...and make Gardens all over the earth...and when that is done....make new worlds live...and multiply the givens..

But science and governing bodies cannot see past the Dollar signs....which bound them down to sin and evil and chaos and corruption..lies and liars...never really solving the Question...cause they cannot....

The answer is God made it all happen....and we are making it all unhappen...but we might come to grips with our own stupidity soon...as the world is detramentally being harmed by Scientific stupidity again...playing with things they should really leave alone.

Anti Matter?....Anti God...Anti Christ,...Anti Eden or Garden...Anti Life!



Nothing more?
The only part of this post that makes sense is "Nothing more", and hopefully that will be the case.
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Old 06-07-2011, 12:56 PM
 
Location: Sinking in the Great Salt Lake
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Its important to know that I am not a religious person. Lets say there is no God or that a God is not needed to explain the universe. Somthing that puzzles me is what exactly created or formed life itself. At no point in time has any scientist ever been able to create life from non living material, and furthermore, if a scientist were infact able to create an animate object from inanimate material, it would only strengthen the argument for a Creator God because it would prove that an inteligent mind is needed to create life

What do atheists think about this?
Define "life"... Carbon based life on this planet may by only one of myriads of forms of "life" in the universe, and only just happens to be the dominant one here on this planet. We are silly to assume anything that isn't like us isn't "alive" in ways we can't currently comprehend. Our perspective is too small to draw conclusions about life from a universal perspective.
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Old 06-07-2011, 01:43 PM
 
Location: Sierra Nevada Land, CA
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Why is it so difficult to think that the components for what we think of as 'life' have always existed without a conceivable beginning?
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Science says otherwise. Ever hear of the Big Bang?
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Old 06-07-2011, 01:48 PM
 
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The only part of this post that makes sense is "Nothing more", and hopefully that will be the case.
You got that right!
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