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Originally Posted by Mr5150
And what evidence would that be?
I keep asking that question. No one has an answer.
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Let's try to give you one.
There is no God. Evidence is that there is no valid spoor of God. Faith - healings are dubious, spirit messages, NED's and predictions are doubtful, dodgy and fall flat. Historically events do not show anything but the forces of humanity. Miracles are so much tosh. The best attested one, Fatima, is demonstrably fraudulent.
The problem of evil puts the tin lid on the matter - the God of Christian theology is a contradiction in terms and cannot be possible.
Genesis is contradicted by the evidence. Exodus has no good support and is chronologically impossible, being placed after the establishment of Philistia which was supposedly after the Jews invaded Canaan. In fact evidence is that the jews grew (like Rome) on site and originally worshipped a lot of gods of which YHWH and his wife were only two.
The battles are historical or probably so but some the Israelites won, some they lost. No sign of the hand of God there. The predictions are evidently written after the event - probably all around the time of the Maccabean revolt since the prophecies Daniel and Tyre are dodgy as to Babylon (supposedly when they were written) but get their Greek material right. E.g the Alexandrian causeway and the Seleucid/Ptolemaic war but are after that either vague or wrong. Tyre was soon flourishing again. Similar is the prophecy of Babylon which prospered even under the Greeks.
Having disposed of the OT, the New T is a Christian fabrication based on the Jewish - based gentile - friendly teachings of Paul. He believed that Jesus was man, not God and a suffering obedient servant of God, not God incarnate. Since he got his info from the apostles who had made the best of a bad job of Jesus' failed messianic mission by supposing that his spirit had ascended and would soon return to finish the job, Paul worked out a theory involving Jesus as sacrifice to redeem Adam's disobedience.
Thus the gospels, going a bit further in taking the human animated by the spirit of God which we see even in John, were not yet at the stage of identifying Jesus AS God which theology was invented later.
Essentially, we can see the progression of theology from Paul as the Gospel - writers re-created God in his own image and cast the Jews (who had rejected Paul's theology) as the villains. The prophecies of Jesus are flimsy and have been used to construct the Jesus story in any case. Example the Bethlehem story was invented to fulfill scripture (which historically, Jesus didn't) The two differing accounts of Judas' death are based on mistranslated and out of context OT passages. Once you have seen the trick it's clear how the Jesus story was padded out with prophecy - the crucifixion even having Jesus quoting Psalms and John rather uncommonly lifting the spear (which the synoptics know nothing of) and bone - breaking out of context from Isaiah.
The OT is no evidence for God and Science is evidence against.
The New T is no evidence for Gos and history is evidence against.
Logically, theologically and practically, there is no sound evidence for God and plenty of evidence against.
That should be enough for most people, but Faith of course demands that reason and evidence should be subverted to religious belief.
That's just an overview from my own stance, of course. The discussion is a huge one but I can say that the Genesis and Nativity discussion is done and lost to Theism. Exodus, Daniel, the Galilean material and pretty much all the parables and prophecies have received a good kicking, though I have to say that our Theist pal Campbell 34 is a redoubtable fighter for Crystal skulls and holes in the poles.
If you are so minded, stick around and we can run through some of the evidences, reasons and kickings alluded to above. It's always worth -while giving them an airing.
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