How to prove God to yourself. (versus, preacher, pagan, translation)
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Its that book I have been talking about Sans, that bible I believe in; In Rev. 21:4," And he shall wipe away every tear from their eyes; and there shall no longer be any death; there shall no longer be any mourning, or crying, or pain; the first things have passed away." The first wave of evolution will pass away and he will usher in a second reserved evolution and we all shall be changed from this flesh that deteriorates and rots away, and given a whole new existence. Our lives will not be snuffed out early or late in growth any longer.
And who is this reserved for, Rom. 5:18- ALL of humankind that has ever existed! And THAT is the good news the bible message teaches.
Its that book I have been talking about Sans, that bible I believe in; In Rev. 21:4," And he shall wipe away every tear from their eyes; and there shall no longer be any death; there shall no longer be any mourning, or crying, or pain; the first things have passed away." The first wave of evolution will pass away and he will usher in a second reserved evolution and we all shall be changed from this flesh that deteriorates and rots away, and given a whole new existence. Our lives will not be snuffed out early or late in growth any longer.
And who is this reserved for, Rom. 5:18- ALL of humankind that has ever existed! And THAT is the good news the bible message teaches.
It takes a tremendous amount of faith to believe all that, and I do not rely on faith at all....To me the bible is just another book of tales written long ago, and is badly out of date.
After 80 posts the method of proving God to oneself is apparently reliant on an unquestioning gullibility and ignorance of science - and i don't believe that is the case with Mickiel at least - or an already existent faith in God, otherwise there would be no reason for rejection of the way science sees the world and history in favour of one of the many theist theories. There would not be an unquestioning acceptance of the tall and often magical claims of the various holy Books -the Bible in Mickiel's case.
The arguments in favour of Bible truth and against evolution have been shown to be far from sound. That way of 'proving God to yourself' is just not reasonable, but is an appeal either to ignorance or gullibility.
I for one think that we can all do better than that.
There was a post by Thom R recently about an atheist blogger who went theist - catholic, in fact and it's well worth reading for an indication of how one might come to believe in a god of some kind - a feeling that there is 'something more' to it all than just material nuts and bolts. A feeling that it just wouldn't all work the way it does without 'something conscious' doing it all deliberately.
It is a very insistent feeling. I think that it doesn't have any real evidence (despite the strenuous - and false - arguments to try and find some) but it is one that apparently persuaded that atheist to abandon atheism.
After 80 posts the method of proving God to oneself is apparently reliant on an unquestioning gullibility and ignorance of science -.
Science began as a method of searching for God; looking for answers to the spiritual questions, and many founding fathers of science were believers in God.
Heres a short list of things that science and the bible agree on;
Animals reproducing after their own kind
The calender
Night and day
The earth rotating on its axis
Trees bearing fruit
Humans breathing air
Earthquakes
The existence of lightning, thunder, droughts, famines, and floods
Medicine
The earth being first formless and void and mostly water
Land masses erupting from beneath the waters and coming to the surface and separating the waters; developing dry land
Vegetation sprouted from beneath the earth
Day is a greater light, and night is a lesser light
That living creatures first came from the waters
Then living creatures came from the earth itself
That the foundations of the earth can be measured
That the bases of the earth were sunk in place
That oceans and seas have boundaries
That the seeds of grass sprout
That stars exist in the heavens
That dust can harden into a mass
That hawks can see a long ways off.
Both the bible and science agree on all these things and more!
Science began as a method of searching for God; looking for answers to the spiritual questions, and many founding fathers of science were believers in God.
Heres a short list of things that science and the bible agree on;
Animals reproducing after their own kind
The calender
Night and day
The earth rotating on its axis
Trees bearing fruit
Humans breathing air
Earthquakes
The existence of lightning, thunder, droughts, famines, and floods
Medicine
The earth being first formless and void and mostly water
Land masses erupting from beneath the waters and coming to the surface and separating the waters; developing dry land
Vegetation sprouted from beneath the earth
Day is a greater light, and night is a lesser light
That living creatures first came from the waters
Then living creatures came from the earth itself
That the foundations of the earth can be measured
That the bases of the earth were sunk in place
That oceans and seas have boundaries
That the seeds of grass sprout
That stars exist in the heavens
That dust can harden into a mass
That hawks can see a long ways off.
Both the bible and science agree on all these things and more!
Please take that list to the 'Science proves Bible' thread where we are still stuck on getting the believers to accept the utterly bloody-well proven Biblical flat earth so that we can get on with evaluating the other fatheaded claims, like the equally bloody obvious noting that celestial objects move across the sky NOT meaning that the writers knew that it was caused by the earth's rotation and the ...
oh, for crying out loud, Micki...all that stuff is too obvious to bother with ...Really 'He that trippeth over a rock shall falleth fat upon his face.' Wow - advanced scientific knowledge" Oh my goodness - The Bible correctly says honey tastes sweet, therefore we should believe everything else it says? I can't believe you are not writing all that while choking with laughter at how you're winding us all up.
I'm sorry if this sounds mocking, but what on earth does it deserve else?
Please take that list to the 'Science proves Bible' thread where we are still stuck on getting the believers to accept the utterly bloody-well proven Biblical flat earth so that we can get on with evaluating the other fatheaded claims, like the equally bloody obvious noting that celestial objects move across the sky NOT meaning that the writers knew that it was caused by the earth's rotation and the ...
oh, for crying out loud, Micki...all that stuff is too obvious to bother with ...Really 'He that trippeth over a rock shall falleth fat upon his face.' Wow - advanced scientific knowledge" Oh my goodness - The Bible correctly says honey tastes sweet, therefore we should believe everything else it says? I can't believe you are not writing all that while choking with laughter at how you're winding us all up.
I'm sorry if this sounds mocking, but what on earth does it deserve else?
You can mock the list all you need to, but its a true factual list of agreement; and I like keeping some things simple.
Science began as a method of searching for God; looking for answers to the spiritual questions, and many founding fathers of science were believers in God.
Heres a short list of things that science and the bible agree on;
Animals reproducing after their own kind
The calender
Night and day
The earth rotating on its axis
Trees bearing fruit
Humans breathing air
Earthquakes
The existence of lightning, thunder, droughts, famines, and floods
Medicine
The earth being first formless and void and mostly water
Land masses erupting from beneath the waters and coming to the surface and separating the waters; developing dry land
Vegetation sprouted from beneath the earth
Day is a greater light, and night is a lesser light
That living creatures first came from the waters
Then living creatures came from the earth itself
That the foundations of the earth can be measured
That the bases of the earth were sunk in place
That oceans and seas have boundaries
That the seeds of grass sprout
That stars exist in the heavens
That dust can harden into a mass
That hawks can see a long ways off.
Both the bible and science agree on all these things and more!
Also let me add to this comparison;
The timing that mountain goats give birth
the seasons in the constellations
the directions of storms
how ice is made
why clouds spread
how lions hunt
information on Pleiades and Orion
how Ostriches treat their young
how Hippos have muscles in their belly and what they eat.
So you are saying that rabbits chewing their cud is scientific, or perhaps talking donkeys?
I have said what I said; its all written very clear with no sarcasm; science and the bible agree on many things, thats WHY science was born in religion, they both come from the same search.
Humans sharpened a stick, made killing animals easier.
Humans broke a rock and made a hand axe. Now easier to divide the animal up.
Humans experimented and broke more rock. Made stone knife. Good for skinning animal.
Humans tied knife to stick, even better for killing animals.
Humans now could fill there bellies and have free time to sit around and think of stupid things.
Humans invented the gods.
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Please take that list to the 'Science proves Bible' thread where we are still stuck on getting the believers to accept the utterly bloody-well proven Biblical flat earth so that we can get on with evaluating the other fatheaded claims, like the equally bloody obvious noting that celestial objects move across the sky NOT meaning that the writers knew that it was caused by the earth's rotation and the ...
'He that trippeth over a rock shall falleth fat upon his face.' Wow - advanced scientific knowledge" Oh my goodness - The Bible correctly says honey tastes sweet, therefore we should believe everything else it says? I can't believe you are not writing all that while choking with laughter at how you're winding us all up. 