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Yeah, that's fine, but it doesn't stop the fact that their Oral tradition was written down (and therefore remains unchanged) since about 500 C.E. They can claim all they want that their religion goes back before that, but I don't see why we should assume that it does. Oral traditions drastically change over a short amount of time.
New Testament shouldn't be offensive. That would be like saying the Book of Mormon is offensive to Christians. It's not part of their religion, therefore they shouldn't care what people call it. Or are you suggesting that Judaism and Christianity are the same. If I say Old Testament, I am referring to the Christian version, otherwise I would use Torah. Even though they are usually very close in text two religions have two different names for their holy book. No reason to get offended by that unless Christianity is just generally offensive.
Why the jews are special (God's chosen)...is it because it was based on judaism and that was the jews religion
I would think it was because, Abraham listened to God...and gave up the false gods others were following..in order to follow the one true God..and his children were blessed thru Issac
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That would be the very great sin of idolatry, and would keep a Jew from going to Heaven.
Gentiles who worship Jessus of Nazareth are judged by a more liberal standard and, if otherwise a good person, would go to heaven, but Jews, who are judged by a stricter standard, would not.
That is incorrect. Followers of Jesus will attain Heaven for one reason and one reason only. That is, acceptance of Jesus' redemptive work on the cross for the forgiveness of sins. Christianity teaches no one is "good" by God's standard.
Followers of Jesus will attain Heaven for one reason and one reason only. That is, acceptance of Jesus' redemptive work on the cross for the forgiveness of sins.
Not according to the Mitzvot (Commandments) given by the Almighty at Sinai.
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Not according to the Mitzvot (Commandments) given by the Almighty at Sinai.
No one was ever made righteous by keeping the Law. The Law was given to reveal sin. Emmanuel (God in flesh) fulfilled the Law for us. If we accept that, we are regarded as righteous and will attain Heaven in the next life.
Is the old testatment also shared by Jews and christians? If that is the case, then that means that there was Judaism before christianity. But then isn't it natural that they would say that Jews are the chosen people?
I mean, if christianity was based on hinduism instead, and shared their book, wouldn't the indians be the chosen?
Thank you for any help with this.
Each peoples are chosen for different things. Indians and Jews play different rolls in the whole scheme of things. Jesus came from a people whose God loved them very much. Jesus didn't speak about Hinduism or Buddhism because, I believe, he didn't have access to their ideas and phylosophies. If he did, I imagine he would have taught about it. Their isolation from one another makes for a real interesting collaberation. You can compare phylosophies and gain the same compassion from different sources. You can compare the compassion and phylosophies of the Buddha with that of God to verify the sincerity and integrity of both.
One thing I can see is that in Hinduism, I haven't known of anyone lying and destorting the essence of the charectures in that religion. Where Jews and Christians have had the problems of false teachers lying and steering people away from the truth about God, in Hinduism there is not talk of someone lying about the different aspects of the one God that Hinduism teaches. It has remained intact for a long long time without these problems. Not sure as to why. My guess is maybe because Jews never had the termminology that Hindusm has. Jews just didn't talk openly about spiritual matters much, leaving a lot of people guessing as to what is the phylosophy and compassion God has towards people. Jesus changes all that. Jesus is the embodiment of the whole idea of spiritual death and rebirth, which is at the center of far eastern phylosophy.
I think studying mythologies like Greek and Nordic mythology might have a clue. Greek mythology looks to me like it might have started off holy, but, over generations, became lied about. Stories were told about them that had nothing to do with the true essence of their beings, and later disgarded because they just don't enlighten or steer people to the truth about God anymore. The Koran tells stories about charectures in the Bible, and changes and distorts the essence of the charectures in exactly the same way. Myths like these destroys religions. Hinduism hasn't had that problem. Jesus was about saving the truth about a God being lied about, and who's people are being oppressed and murdered. He was sent to rid the world of Satan's influence that has been ravaging since Adam and Eve. The far east just hasn't been a part of that story until now imo. I think far east phylosophy better explains God's compassion for us. In Buddhism you can contimplate Buddha's compassion for us by understanding and living in the same phylosophy as him. And the same is true with God in the Bible. And it just so happens, the phylosophies and compassion are the same, just from 2 different sources.
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That is incorrect. Followers of Jesus will attain Heaven for one reason and one reason only. That is, acceptance of Jesus' redemptive work on the cross for the forgiveness of sins. Christianity teaches no one is "good" by God's standard.
You know what? Some of you Christians have more nerve than a bad tooth. I believe Walter was explaining what people of his faith believe about these things, not what yours believes. You could have just said something like, "That's interesting. What we Christians believe is..." But no, you gotta come in guns ablaze and "correct" him. Dang.
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