Who is the epitome of Evil, God or Satan? (quotes, Biblical, Antichrist)

[Rafius]

Originally Posted by kiggy

Wow, you really don't read the Bible -- God didn't cause original sin -- original sin was caused by Adam and Eve.

Your god created evil.

Ephesians 3:8-10
For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

Colossians 1:15-17
Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honor and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created.


Did you get that? ALL THINGS.

[Tantalust]

Originally Posted by kiggy

Sorry, try again. Give me a real answer. And, unlike the A/A support group rules, disagreeing with you does not amount to hostility, fear, low self-esteem and self-condemnation. You must be one of those "lay atheists" I've heard of, that spew out insults and profanity instead of actual facts. Even real atheists distain the likes of you. Run, do not walk, to your A/A support group -- I think you need to take a meeting.

If god were real, he'd help you, wouldn't he?
Why are you failing to make me believe?

Give it up, dumpling.

[Rafius]

Originally Posted by kiggy

In my Bible (NIV) the word evil in Nehemiah is written as "calamity" brought on because the people, after being warned not to disobey God like they were constantly doing. In the Jeremiah verse (again NIV) the evil is worded as "disaster" again after being warned about their "stiff-necked" disobedience.

Yes, the translators of many modern Bible editions, aware of the unsettling implications of the verses about your god creating evil holds for the faith of Christians, have attempted to soften the blow by translating it in a more palatable way but for nearly 2000 years, Christianity was perfectly happy to accept the word 'evil'. These days it's become rather embarrassing for them so they have decided to change the word 'evil' to something else. The New International Version has changed it to "disaster", the English Standard Version has it as "calamity", and the Revised Standard Version says "woe" The Message has translated it as "I make harmonies and create discords".


Although these alternate translations wouldn't seem to solve much, they are still not as faithful to the original Hebrew. The Hebrew word translated by the KJV writers is "ra" and from textual evidence, it is clear that in the Bible this word does mean evil in a moral sense. For believers who hold to the textual inerrancy of the Bible, therefore, there is no choice but to admit that their god created evil.

[gabfest]

I came across a very interesting post.
There was/is a thread going around asking the atheist if they had any doubts or something to that effect. Of course even Mother Tereasa had doubts so I went about reviewing some historical prospectives regarding her faith or lack of when I came across this fascinating post ...


by orinvee August 27, 2007 3:43 AM EDT EVERY child killed will be brought BACK to life...but to a BETTER, more GLORIOUS life. By allowing these UNFORTUNATE children to die, He has spared them the misery of future ungodly lives and brought them straight into paradise.
Of course, when you get rid of the roaches, you are a hero to your ''family''. To the roaches, you are a MONSTER!


by orinvee August 27, 2007 3:47 AM EDT The last post was incomplete. Here''s the corrected one:
Have you ever tried to rid your house of mice or roaches or ants? Did you try to SPARE the women and children of these PESTS? Did you hate yourself or expect others to hate you because of your ''genocide'' (pesticide)?

If you place such little value on lesser species than yourself, why are you angry at God who does much less than this. If you could realize that ants and roaches and mice are so much closer to being your next of kin and that God is removed so way beyond anything remotely human, you would understand that there is no comparison. Your killing of a mouse is like killing your own brother. God killing a human is like you smashing a dirt clod. There''s no comparison.


Another thing that you fail to realize is that EVERY child killed will be brought BACK to life...but to a BETTER, more GLORIOUS life. By allowing these UNFORTUNATE children to die, He has spared them the misery of future ungodly lives and brought them straight into paradise.

Of course, when you get rid of the roaches, you are a hero to your ''family''. To the roaches, you are a MONSTER!

Letters Reveal Mother Teresa's Secret - CBS News

[Rafius]

Your comparison of humans and God fails because there is one huge difference. Humans are not omnimax. They are not considered to be all loving, merciful, benevolent, compassionate and forgiving.They can't solve the problem of the roaches by clicking their fingers as an omnimax deity could.

[LuminousTruth]

Originally Posted by Theophane

I would have to say Satan. I don't sympathize with Satan's cause but I know there are many Luciferians here on City-Data.

I haven't found any. I did find a great many posting in other religious forums though. It was in their title and everything, and they were very serious about their personal understandings of reality; just like you are about yours. some Luciferians were very anti-agnostic.

[LuminousTruth]

Originally Posted by Tantalust

What is "True" god?

that god which exists and is ruler above all. The god which deserve worship and reverence, irrespective of whether it created the universe or not.

[LuminousTruth]

Originally Posted by kiggy

That, I believe, in the vernacular, is called misquoting scripture for your own purposes. I've already answered that verse in another thread.

point me to your post in said thread, if you do not wish to repeat yourself.

[LuminousTruth]

Originally Posted by kiggy

In my Bible (NIV) the word evil in Nehemiah is written as "calamity" brought on because the people, after being warned not to disobey God like they were constantly doing. In the Jeremiah verse (again NIV) the evil is worded as "disaster" again after being warned about their "stiff-necked" disobedience. In the Amos reference, again, the word for evil is "disaster", and again this is caused by the evil of the people involved.

Is your Bible a King James Version? The NIV drills down to be a more accurate interpretation of both the Hebrew and the Greek texts of the Bible. It might be more helpful. Nowhere in the Bible does it state that God is evil.

yes, calamities and disasters are "not good" lol. plus, there is an idol verse somewhere about how God is master of the good, and master of the evil.

[LuminousTruth]

Originally Posted by Greatest I am

Inspiration from God, don't cha know.

"Whoever imagines himself a favorite with God,
holds other people in contempt.
Whenever a man believes that he has the exact truth from God,
there is in that man no spirit of compromise.
He has not the modesty born of the imperfections of human nature;
he has the arrogance of theological certainty and the tyranny born of ignorant assurance.
Believing himself to be the slave of God,
he imitates his master,
and of all tyrants,
the worst is a slave in power."
--Robert Ingersoll

Regards
DL

I don't believe I am the slave of God, I appear have a completely independent decision making ability. Nor do I expect God to punish me for my beliefs and actions if they are wrong. Nor am I going to blame God for my beliefs. However, as a fundamental spiritual agnostic, follower of my own religion that upon its establishment will be known as "Illumination (the true Annointedness and the true Submission)", I do believe what I bolded: mainly that agnosticism is the exact truth and that it inspires modesty from the understanding of the imperfections of human nature. great quote btw.