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Old 08-15-2007, 11:23 PM
 
Location: CA
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Personally I don't care that our money says "In God We Trust." I don't even care if Goofy is on it... or if it says "In Mickey Mouse We Trust." As long as I can buy something with it. People should care more about the blood spilled in Iraq than a statement on our money.
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Old 08-15-2007, 11:52 PM
 
Location: Seattle
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I agree, mommabear, but to say that because we're trying to change one thing that we should disregard everything else is stupid.

I don't understand people who don't understand why I am offended by "In God We Trust" on our money. I don't trust in a God. My money goes to printing that money. I have to use that money. The United States is founded on no religion. Why in the world are we printing the name of a deity on the currency of a democracy??? I mean, this issue is so simple, it's difficult to formulate an argument! Read the Constitution!
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Old 08-16-2007, 07:43 AM
 
Location: Wilmington, DE
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This administration seemed to think while blood was being spilled in Iraq that it was perfectly fine to block stem cell research, help christian organizations get federal funding and get involved in one woman's family's decision to pull the plug. There's a lot of crap that's been going on while people are being distracted with Iraq and color coded security threat levels.

Wrong is wrong.

If you care so little about what's on our currency then you shouldn't have any care towards removing the god motto. That's nice for me but I think you should have a little more interest in what goes on it.
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Old 08-16-2007, 07:58 AM
 
Location: Cream Ridge, NJ
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Separation of church and state has nothing to do with money saying "in god we trust" and is not a violation of separation of church and state. The concept of separation is commonly credited to the combination of the two clauses: the establishment clause, generally interpreted as preventing the government from establishing a national religion, providing tax dollars in support of religion, or otherwise favoring any single religion and the free exercise clause, ensuring that private religious practices not be restricted by the government. When money says "in God we trust" its not favoring any specific religion since all religions have a god.If it said in allah we trust or in jesus we trust,then it would be a violation. Being an atheist is NOT a religion. Its a lack of religion and thus cannot be part of the separation of church and state
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Old 08-16-2007, 08:10 AM
 
Location: Wilmington, DE
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Nice try. The freedom FROM religion is just as valid as the freedom FOR religion. The motto and the Pledge edit is a clear example of favoring theism over atheism and as I pointed out, a hindu would have to ask, "which one of my gods? Vishnu? Shiva? Hanuman? Balrama? Vamana? Krishna?"
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Old 08-16-2007, 08:26 AM
 
Location: Northern California
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Nice try. The freedom FROM religion is just as valid as the freedom FOR religion. The motto and the Pledge edit is a clear example of favoring theism over atheism and as I pointed out, a hindu would have to ask, "which one of my gods? Vishnu? Shiva? Hanuman? Balrama? Vamana? Krishna?"
This is true, and you DO HAVE THE FREEDOM FROM RELIGION! No one is forcing you to believe in God. And, I would add that for me I am not offended when someone says they don't believe in Jesus...it doesn't bother me if I walk down the street and see a Muslim business, Budda businees or even a place for tarot card reading. This is what freedom of religion is. It is going to be all around you. If you want total and complete freedom FROM religion, you are going to have to move!
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Old 08-16-2007, 08:32 AM
 
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If any place where In God We Trust fits, then it's on money...because money is highly worshipped, quite possibly more than the god of your choice.

However, I think In Satan We Trust on money would be hilarious. I'd love to see the look on people's faces when they look at their money closely. That would be priceless.
Now a days the money passes so quickly in and out of our hands that we barely see the picture on it much less the motto. I don't really think it offends anyone. Only thing that sounds strange to me is that at church they used to tell me that it was Gods money and I should give it back.
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Old 08-16-2007, 09:13 AM
 
Location: Wilmington, DE
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it doesn't bother me if I walk down the street and see a Muslim business, Budda businees or even a place for tarot card reading.
That's completely different. You're mixing private citizen actions with those of the government which is supposed to remain neutral.

You're all ignoring the Pledge, too.
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Old 08-16-2007, 09:39 AM
 
Location: Northern California
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That's completely different. You're mixing private citizen actions with those of the government which is supposed to remain neutral.

You're all ignoring the Pledge, too.
If you want to take in God we trust off the money and out of the Pledge too that would not offend me. It would make me sad, but not offend me.

My point is that "religion" is all around you...it's on our national monuments, it's in the private sector. If you want freedom from all religion you're going to have to move. This is what our great country is founded on...freedom of religion...all religion...and freedom to not participate in any religion is part of that freedom.
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Old 08-16-2007, 09:41 AM
 
Location: CA
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If you care so little about what's on our currency then you shouldn't have any care towards removing the god motto. That's nice for me but I think you should have a little more interest in what goes on it.

You are right, I'm not going to care if the motto is removed. But I would rather concentrate on issues that would make the world a better place rather than on something that makes a few people feel better. Is in "IGWT" really hurting anyone?
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