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View Poll Results: Does Religion need to fear scientific facts?
No 8 38.10%
Yes 9 42.86%
Outlaw science 0 0%
Outlaw Religion 1 4.76%
Who Cares? 3 14.29%
Voters: 21. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 08-31-2011, 05:37 PM
 
Location: Logan Township, Minnesota
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I am of the belief that truth need not fear anything. Proven Scientific facts and true religious beliefs should not conflict.

The only time there will be conflict is if one is not understood or is false.
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Old 08-31-2011, 05:44 PM
 
Location: Sierra Nevada Land, CA
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I am of the belief that truth need not fear anything. Proven Scientific facts and true religious beliefs should not conflict.

The only time there will be conflict is if one is not understood or is false.
Hasn't been an issue for me or most Christians.
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Old 08-31-2011, 05:52 PM
 
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But don't you know that us Christians reject science in favor of the belief that the Earth is 6,000 years old and the Sun revolves around it? Or that science has disproven the afterlife and created an ethical system better than any religion? I mean don't you pay attention
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Old 08-31-2011, 05:58 PM
 
Location: OKC
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Science will tell you the mind is completely explained by the brain.

When the brain stops working you will no longer have sapient thought. You will not be able to see because the devices normally used to capture the electromagnetic waves through a series of photosensitive rods and cons will degrade and no longer be able to send those signals to your brain for interpretation.

You will no longer have long term memory, because is completely dependent upon a working brain, as is your short term memory and your ability to reason. You language ability is also dependent upon a functioning brain, as is your ability to be self-aware.

As per the above, when you die you will no longer have a way of experiencing the world around your, of having memories or rational thoughts.


If your religion tells you those things are true, then it has nothing to fear from science.

But if your religion tells you that there are omnipotent beings that can invalidate every single known rule of science, that you will be sapient beyond the functional lifespan of your brain, or that you will be able to experience the world after you die, then your religion and science conflict.
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Old 08-31-2011, 06:21 PM
 
Location: Logan Township, Minnesota
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Science will tell you the mind is completely explained by the brain.

When the brain stops working you will no longer have sapient thought. You will not be able to see because the devices normally used to capture the electromagnetic waves through a series of photosensitive rods and cons will degrade and no longer be able to send those signals to your brain for interpretation.

You will no longer have long term memory, because is completely dependent upon a working brain, as is your short term memory and your ability to reason. You language ability is also dependent upon a functioning brain, as is your ability to be self-aware.

As per the above, when you die you will no longer have a way of experiencing the world around your, of having memories or rational thoughts.


If your religion tells you those things are true, then it has nothing to fear from science.

But if your religion tells you that there are omnipotent beings that can invalidate every single known rule of science, that you will be sapient beyond the functional lifespan of your brain, or that you will be able to experience the world after you die, then your religion and science conflict.
I should have added another option to the poll

6. Science needs to fear religion.
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Old 08-31-2011, 06:36 PM
 
Location: Somewhere out there
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Hasn't been an issue for me or most Christians.
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Woodrow, I'm pretty sure you're asking a really loaded question here....

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Old 08-31-2011, 06:42 PM
 
Location: Logan Township, Minnesota
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Woodrow, I'm pretty sure you're asking a really loaded question here....

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Only semi loaded. I'm just curious to see how many of the young earth people we have here.
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Old 08-31-2011, 06:57 PM
 
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Science will tell you the mind is completely explained by the brain.

When the brain stops working you will no longer have sapient thought. You will not be able to see because the devices normally used to capture the electromagnetic waves through a series of photosensitive rods and cons will degrade and no longer be able to send those signals to your brain for interpretation.

You will no longer have long term memory, because is completely dependent upon a working brain, as is your short term memory and your ability to reason. You language ability is also dependent upon a functioning brain, as is your ability to be self-aware.

As per the above, when you die you will no longer have a way of experiencing the world around your, of having memories or rational thoughts.


If your religion tells you those things are true, then it has nothing to fear from science.

But if your religion tells you that there are omnipotent beings that can invalidate every single known rule of science, that you will be sapient beyond the functional lifespan of your brain, or that you will be able to experience the world after you die, then your religion and science conflict.
Science isn't necessarily the same as scientism. Science is the study and explanation of natural phenomenon through a trial-and-error method.

What you're talking about is closer to scientism. The belief that everything is nature and that science is the only source of objective knowledge.

It's a common confusion. But yes Scientism obviously conflicts with most every religion. I didn't mean to imply otherwise, even in sarcasm.
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Old 08-31-2011, 10:04 PM
 
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I am of the belief that truth need not fear anything. Proven Scientific facts and true religious beliefs should not conflict.

The only time there will be conflict is if one is not understood or is false.
There is a reason most religions fight so hard against scientific advances and evidence:

Sam Harris: Science Must Destroy Religion
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Old 09-01-2011, 03:46 AM
 
Location: S. Wales.
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But don't you know that us Christians reject science in favor of the belief that the Earth is 6,000 years old and the Sun revolves around it? Or that science has disproven the afterlife and created an ethical system better than any religion? I mean don't you pay attention
After reading that terror -stricken attempt to laugh off the very real doubts that Science (and logical reasoning) has raised about Bible belief and Christianity and religion and theism, I am going to change my mind about not bothering with the poll and make that an unequivocal 'Yes'. It has a great deal to fear.

If it was true, of course, it would have nothing whatsoever to fear.

That there is this deep - seated fear it seems, even in the most admirably reasonable of theists, I can only assume that they really know, deep down inside, that it isn't true.
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