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Old 09-02-2011, 06:46 AM
 
Location: Ontario, Canada
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Do you really know anyone that adopts science as a "world view"? I sure don't. Science is just a method used for discovery.
Sure you do!

It's a worldview (Scientism) promoted by evangelical atheists like Richard Dawkins and Sam Harris.

 
Old 09-02-2011, 07:08 AM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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Don't get me wrong, I actually love science. The purpose of this thread is to illustrate the absurdity of the claim that science basically qualifies as a world view unto itself.
Absurd.

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In other words, to illustrate the error of supposing that certain beliefs or elements in one's world view that cannot be empirically proved via the scientific method should logically be disqualified from consideration.
You may claim to love Science, use it, but you surely don't understand it. Here is why... Science is an ongoing process. It doesn't constrain itself to anything. It is those who find their beliefs challenged go bonkers. Take creationism for example. Science is used to try and discover how we came about and trace a lineage combining the knowledge base we have along with new discoveries. This gets creationists worried for their beliefs. Any notion of learning that what they believe might not have happened is unwelcome and "absurd".

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Sure you do!

It's a worldview (Scientism) promoted by evangelical atheists like Richard Dawkins and Sam Harris.
Scientific world view is nothing but engaging the brain, for its ability to observe and analyze, combining the knowledge base and disovering/inventing new things along the way, as opposed to just be able to read and follow as the irrefutable truth (the unscientific, dead-brain, worldview).
 
Old 09-02-2011, 07:17 AM
 
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Do you really know anyone that adopts science as a "world view"? I sure don't. Science is just a method used for discovery.
Scientism and anti-theism are each worldviews of course one person could possess both of these worldviews. Terms...Blinded by Scientism Public Discourse
 
Old 09-02-2011, 07:20 AM
 
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Scientism and anti-theism are each worldviews of course one person could possess both of these worldviews. Terms...Blinded by Scientism Public Discourse
Explain, in your words, what Scientism is and how it relates to Science. What does it depend on?
 
Old 09-02-2011, 07:24 AM
 
Location: OKC
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Religions real problem isn't with science, strictly speaking.

Religions real problem is with rationality.

"Science" is just the shorthand polite word we are all using to describe rationality - in contrast with the irrational faith-based system we call religion.

But strictly speaking not every religion has to be irrational, and rationality isn't necessarily restricted to the traditional fields of science.
 
Old 09-02-2011, 07:38 AM
 
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I think we can take for a fact that science knows .000000000000000000000000000000000000001% of what there is to be known in the universe!!!

No, I don't think we can take that for a fact. Science know quite a bit about the known universe.

We can however take it as fact that organized, "revealed" religion knows 0%.
 
Old 09-02-2011, 07:42 AM
 
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Sure you do!

It's a worldview (Scientism) promoted by evangelical atheists like Richard Dawkins and Sam Harris.
It's not a worldview, it's called "living in reality". I suppose it's a "worldview" Moderator cut: deleted

And BTW most theists accept science (including facts such as evolution, big bang etc).

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Old 09-02-2011, 07:42 AM
 
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Explain, in your words, what Scientism is and how it relates to Science. What does it depend on?
Why would I do that when you have the link that goes into detail? I'am not the originator of the term so put your gun down.
 
Old 09-02-2011, 07:51 AM
 
Location: Beautiful Niagara Falls ON.
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Fairly accurate, Woodrow, but perhaps a slightly more accurate description is that science is but a well-developed and thorough toolbox for getting the most accurate answer possible with the methodologies available at any given time. Since specific questions almost always lead to further questions, it's safe to say that the following very misleading post is fundamentally wrong in several ways.



No you can't, in fact. WRONG answer.

1) Science is NOT an entity. It's a tool set. Science per se "knows" nothing. Science reveals things, and then logic and deduction provides possible interpretations, which may well lead to further confirmatory studies. Eventually, a "theory" of known facts and reasonable conclusions are produced. This is not the same as a guesswork "hypothesis".

2) Since the number of questions and thus answers is infinite, science can never know "ANY percentage of "all the possible answers" in the universe.

3) Trouble is, even if we did peg some artificial number or percentage of "known facts" in the universe, the bumbling, emotion-driven, faith-based but completely unobservable thing called religion cannot hope to hold even 1/10,00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 (enough? Get the picture? If not, I could hold the key down longer...) of what science has already indisputably uncovered.

4) A key element of any proper scientific study is that it MUST provide exacting information so that any doubter or person interested in following up can duplicate the experiment themselves, for themselves, to prove, or disprove it. Go ahead: that's what the Methodology Section is there for! Knock yourself out!

5) Oddly, Christian objectors never take the opportunity to do this; at least to the point of creating a publishable-quality document and seeing it though the peer-review process that good science processes also demand. Nope; rather they just try to debunk ideas they don't like, and they listen without skepticism to whatever the nutball fringe elements (such as AiG or The Creation Institute) say in demonstrably dishonest rebuttals.

6) Religion remains forever stuck in it's olden times days, with a set of "facts" it clings to, unabated.

7) Science not only continues to uncover new information, but it's capable of (and endlessly enthusiastic about...) continuously upgrading and improving the information it has already determined. Thus it's always improving the quality of it's conclusions, to the dismay of it's detractors.

Anyone want to debate that?
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It is a massive philosophical misdirection of most all fundamentalist Christians to call "science" down, as if it's a tribe of religious zealots with some hardened book of facts. Again, how can you criticize a hammer, a screwdriver or a set of socket wrenches when the task at hand is to carefully and correctly take apart a problem and see how it ticks?

This only demonstrates the continued fear and loathing that organized religion has for the Scientific Method's demonstrated ability to clarify and uncover, with repeatable, documented empirical and trustworthy evidence, the unknowns in this world.
The fact that there has been so many great scientists who were aso great men and women of God makes your post into nothing more than an ignorant rant.

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Old 09-02-2011, 07:53 AM
 
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Did you join a discussion forum only to provide links? Just admit you couldn't dare debate with your own understanding.
What is there to debate about? Sanspeur said there was no such worldview, this worldview does exist. That's as simple as simple can be.
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