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View Poll Results: Do you support the right of a Muslim student to pray in public school?
Yes 30 62.50%
No 18 37.50%
Voters: 48. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 05-28-2013, 07:14 AM
 
Location: Logan Township, Minnesota
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Originally Posted by bulmabriefs144 View Post
Moment of silence, yea. Seriously, it's good anyway because it gets all the kids to shut up, and if you want to pray, it's on your own time and not making other people go along with it. The only issue is that Muslims have scheduled prayer, so this might not be in sync.
Typically the only required prayer that would occur during school hours is the Mid morning Duhr Prayer there is enough flexibility in the time range this prayer is to be said in. It could probably be said during 5 minutes of the morning recess or during the first 5 minutes of lunch. The only thing that would be required is to allow the Muslim Students 5 minute usage of any vacant room during this time.

Many older students generally do their prayers mentally and silently while sitting at their desk, when prayer time arrives.

NOTE: The 5 mandatory times are not the only time we pray. We actually pray almost constantly.

Two words translate into English as prayer, Salat and Du'a. Salat are the 5 required prayers, more similar short church services. Du'a are our personal prayers said when ever and where ever we have the inclination to pray.
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Old 05-28-2013, 02:52 PM
 
Location: Nanaimo, Canada
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And, by the same standards, would you also mandate a pagan Wiccan ritual, complete with the possible sacrificing of a bleating, very much alive, but now shrieking sheep right up there on the teacher's desk, complete with the subsequent drinking of blood by the trembling and crying students as a required ritual? Out of respect for the Wiccans you understand.
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Thank you for using the word 'possible', but Wiccan theology still doesn't require animal sacrifice.

Back on topic:

School-led prayer is a constitutional violation, but more than that, it makes me feel awkward to speak another religion's prayer.

First of all, I don't know the background to the prayer, and I usually don't know that much about who I'm praying to. Second, I feel a bit like a cultural 'intruder', because I'm essentially just 'lip synching' without being part of the actual event.

So, for the above and other reasons, I say 'No' to school-led prayer. If your religion requires prayer at a specific time, then go ahead and pray at that specific time, but our schools are, by definition, not churches, and our teachers are not priests.
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Old 05-28-2013, 05:37 PM
 
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Thank God there is such a thing as private schools. Children are freely able to worship the one true God while in a safe educational non-judgmental setting.
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Old 05-28-2013, 07:38 PM
 
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Thank God there is such a thing as private schools. Children are freely able to worship the one true God while in a safe educational non-judgmental setting.
Yes. Keep them safe in that cocoon of ignorance.
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Old 05-28-2013, 10:44 PM
 
Location: Oakland, CA
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Thank God there is such a thing as private schools. Children are freely able to worship the one true God while in a safe educational non-judgmental setting.
Non-judgmental until the child starts thinking for herself and stops believing everything the teachers and parents tell her to believe. Then she's in a living hell.
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Old 05-29-2013, 12:37 PM
 
Location: Central Maine
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Yes, I would as long as my child was allowed to pray his/her prayer without any antagonism from the Muslim. But the athiests wouldn't like it.

Pray all you want on your own, but my taxes shouldn't have to go to sponsor your delusional beliefs.

See what I mean? Oh and delusional beliefs include atheism as well.
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Old 05-29-2013, 03:05 PM
 
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Yes, I would as long as my child was allowed to pray his/her prayer without any antagonism from the Muslim. But the athiests wouldn't like it.

Pray all you want on your own, but my taxes shouldn't have to go to sponsor your delusional beliefs.

See what I mean? Oh and delusional beliefs include atheism as well.
Sorry. Atheism is not a belief.
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Old 05-29-2013, 05:50 PM
 
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Sorry. Atheism is not a belief.
Of course it is.

Since it is a given that the Atheist can't be 100% ABSOLUTELY INFALLIBLY SURE (nothing is "100% for sure") there are no God(s)...they logically only believe there are no God(s).
Because you can't "know" that no God(s) exist...and you also realize the vast majority have/do/will perceive a God entity...Atheism isn't a lack of belief in the perception of a God entity...it is belief (since you can't possibly be sure) in a lack of the existence of a God entity. Thus, they are "A"-Theist.

I realize that some Atheists hate having "belief" assigned to their concept...due to their affliction with "Beliefophobia"...but that doesn't change that it necessarily is a "belief".
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Old 05-29-2013, 05:56 PM
 
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I support all prayer in school as long as it's not headed by the school or school officials and is not done during instructional time. Before, after and in-between classes is perfectly fine.
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Old 05-30-2013, 06:30 AM
 
Location: West Virginia
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Of course it is.

Since it is a given that the Atheist can't be 100% ABSOLUTELY INFALLIBLY SURE (nothing is "100% for sure") there are no God(s)...they logically only believe there are no God(s).
Because you can't "know" that no God(s) exist...and you also realize the vast majority have/do/will perceive a God entity...Atheism isn't a lack of belief in the perception of a God entity...it is belief (since you can't possibly be sure) in a lack of the existence of a God entity. Thus, they are "A"-Theist.

I realize that some Atheists hate having "belief" assigned to their concept...due to their affliction with "Beliefophobia"...but that doesn't change that it necessarily is a "belief".
What a wasted effort of a post!

It is a given that atheists believe there is no God(s). That is the definition if an atheist. Atheist | Define Atheist at Dictionary.com "a person who denies or disbelieves the existence of a supreme being or beings."

Nowhere in any discussion I have read, here or elsewhere, has anybody ever claimed to know for sure that there is no God(s), thus causing a new term to be needed.

Nothing new here, folks.
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