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Old 09-11-2011, 11:28 PM
 
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Hey LT...

Donate, OK?

No. There are other, less wasteful, ways to help fight cancer then filling the pagan-like, intolerant, hate placating ACS's coffers. There are other coffers that need to be filled. I will not support the corrupt ACS leadership. How about the Christian groups "just donate" O.K? How can doing what the ACS did to FBB be good? maybe to pagan-like, intolerant Christians, who like to do nothing else but pat themselves in the back for having no real morals other than punishment and reward. Know them by their fruit, Hypocrisy.
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Old 09-12-2011, 03:04 PM
 
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I think the money offer was simply a carrot, this was the true purpose/agenda....

"What a brilliant idea. Can you imagine the headlines if a group of atheists, worldwide, raised more money for cancer research than any other National Team?!"
What is atheist propaganda?
Religion is the propaganda. There is no proof of a god, or any of the thousands that have been/are currently believed in.

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The FBB should donate to the cause of fighting cancer and forget about participating in the Relay for Life. Grow up and realize which is the more important cause.
They can donate to whomever/whatever they choose to, or not.
Why don't the "believers" grow up and acknowledge that just because a group doesn't believe Moderator cut: edit that they're a good and valuable resource.
The cancer society loses.
Their choice.

Just as it's my choice.
I donate thousands of dollars a year to causes I appreciate and choose to donate to; ACS will no longer be one of them.

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Old 09-12-2011, 03:29 PM
 
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I donate thousands of dollars a year to causes I appreciate and choose to donate to; ACS will no longer be one of them.
Might I suggest one of the charities that works to aid North Korean refugees in fleeing China? Such as:

Life Funds for North Korean Refugees: Life Funds for North Korean Refugees, an NGO

Do not donate to religious charities who claim to aid North Koreans because often in exchange for aid they require the refugee to convert, attend the charity's church, or even sneak back into North Korea to try to convert others.

If you'd like to see just what happens in North Korea, might I suggest these films:

Seoul Train - A Documentary Film
Kimjongilia - The Movie
A State of Mind - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Journeyman Pictures : documentaries : Shadows And Whispers

'Seoul Train' is one of the few movies I've ever watched that has made me literally cry because I could feel the abject helplessness and determination of the people in it. There's a point where it shows a family with a two-year-old girl, who try to rush the gates of the Japanese Embassy in Beijing, in order to get out of China where they have been evading authorities for months. The mother is carrying the child on her back, and is caught and beaten down by the Chinese guards. The tiny girl is thrown to the ground, and stands sobbing in the background as she watches her mother being beaten.

North Koreans who successfully make it into China without getting killed by their own country face a whole slew of difficulties. They will be repatriated to North Korea if they're caught by the Chinese, and they cannot petition the Chinese government for asylum. North Korean women and girls are especially vulnerable, as they are very often sold into sexual slavery in China. If a woman is pregnant and is sent back to North Korea, they are forced to undergo an abortion. Refugees that are sent back to North Korea are executed or sent to forced labor camps that are as bad as any Nazi camp ever was.

There will be many hundreds of thousands that starve to death there again this year. A brutal winter and an overly rainy rice growing season this year have destroyed at least 60% of the North Korean rice crops. With these further shortages there will be many starvation deaths in the coming months. Their population is already woefully malnourished. A seven year old child in North Korea is on average five inches shorter than their South Korean counterparts. Unfortunately, even if we send food aid, it does not reach the people who need it, as it is all funneled to the upper class toadies that are "faithful" to Juche and Kim Jong Il. How the world can stand by and let the North Koreans die is beyond me. The cult of Kim Il Sung and Kim Jong Il is the epitome of religion gone bad.

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Old 09-12-2011, 03:41 PM
 
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What is atheist propaganda?
Religion is the propaganda. There is no proof of a god, or any of the thousands that have been/are currently believed in.


They can donate to whomever/whatever they choose to, or not.
Why don't the "believers" grow up and acknowledge that just because a group doesn't believe in their hallucination, that they're a good and valuable resource.
The cancer society loses.
Their choice.

Just as it's my choice.
I donate thousands of dollars a year to causes I appreciate and choose to donate to; ACS will no longer be one of them.
The fight against cancer is suppose to be the bigger goal. It has nothing to do with belief in a deity or not. Give or don't give your money where ever you would like, that's why it's called charity.
Anything to lessen the burden in caring for the chronically ill is/will be certainly appreciated, whether it be preventive or research or anything in between; thanks to all who give.
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Old 09-12-2011, 03:49 PM
 
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The fight against cancer is suppose to be the bigger goal. It has nothing to do with belief in a deity or not. Give or don't give your money where ever you would like, that's why it's called charity.
The real goal here is Science and Medicine, so since you are managing to convince me to act as you do, I think it would be a better idea if the ACS denied religious organizations from participating in the Relays or Donating as a Recognized group; and woe if those groups (descendants of pagans) complain. I will call them children and tell them to "just donate" even though I obviously consider their name "tainted".

Christians = NO REAL MORALS other than reward and punishment in the afterlife = faithful Moderator cut: edit = wanton hypocrites

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Old 09-12-2011, 05:26 PM
 
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The real goal here is Science and Medicine, so since you are managing to convince me to act as you do, I think it would be a better idea if the ACS denied religious organizations from participating in the Relays or Donating as a Recognized group; and woe if those groups (descendants of pagans) complain. I will call them children and tell them to "just donate" even though I obviously consider their name "tainted".

Christians = NO REAL MORALS other than reward and punishment in the afterlife = faithful psychopaths = wanton hypocrites
It appears you just need vent against someone somewhere.

THE REAL GOAL , FOR MOST HUMANS, IS TO PROVIDE THE BEST IN TX MODALITIES TO THOSE IN NEED.

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Old 09-13-2011, 05:58 AM
 
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Might I suggest one of the charities that works to aid North Korean refugees in fleeing China? Such as:

Life Funds for North Korean Refugees: Life Funds for North Korean Refugees, an NGO

Do not donate to religious charities who claim to aid North Koreans because often in exchange for aid they require the refugee to convert, attend the charity's church, or even sneak back into North Korea to try to convert others.

If you'd like to see just what happens in North Korea, might I suggest these films:

Seoul Train - A Documentary Film
Kimjongilia - The Movie
A State of Mind - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Journeyman Pictures : documentaries : Shadows And Whispers

'Seoul Train' is one of the few movies I've ever watched that has made me literally cry because I could feel the abject helplessness and determination of the people in it. There's a point where it shows a family with a two-year-old girl, who try to rush the gates of the Japanese Embassy in Beijing, in order to get out of China where they have been evading authorities for months. The mother is carrying the child on her back, and is caught and beaten down by the Chinese guards. The tiny girl is thrown to the ground, and stands sobbing in the background as she watches her mother being beaten.

North Koreans who successfully make it into China without getting killed by their own country face a whole slew of difficulties. They will be repatriated to North Korea if they're caught by the Chinese, and they cannot petition the Chinese government for asylum. North Korean women and girls are especially vulnerable, as they are very often sold into sexual slavery in China. If a woman is pregnant and is sent back to North Korea, they are forced to undergo an abortion. Refugees that are sent back to North Korea are executed or sent to forced labor camps that are as bad as any Nazi camp ever was.

There will be many hundreds of thousands that starve to death there again this year. A brutal winter and an overly rainy rice growing season this year have destroyed at least 60% of the North Korean rice crops. With these further shortages there will be many starvation deaths in the coming months. Their population is already woefully malnourished. A seven year old child in North Korea is on average five inches shorter than their South Korean counterparts. Unfortunately, even if we send food aid, it does not reach the people who need it, as it is all funneled to the upper class toadies that are "faithful" to Juche and Kim Jong Il. How the world can stand by and let the North Koreans die is beyond me. The cult of Kim Il Sung and Kim Jong Il is the epitome of religion gone bad.
Thanks but I've got my own.
Foodbanks, Mercy Corps and Doctors Without Borders mostly. Then there's the American Diabetes Association and National Kidney Foundation.
And I donate $50 to Planned Parenthood for each CD thread that is either purposely or ridiculously erroneous in its message. I donate in the name of the opening poster. I earmark my donations to abortion services since they're privately supported. I derive great pleasure from that.
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Old 09-13-2011, 05:59 AM
 
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The fight against cancer is suppose to be the bigger goal. It has nothing to do with belief in a deity or not. Give or don't give your money where ever you would like, that's why it's called charity.
Anything to lessen the burden in caring for the chronically ill is/will be certainly appreciated, whether it be preventive or research or anything in between; thanks to all who give.
Apparently the ACS didn't think it was the bigger goal.
Their loss.
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Old 09-13-2011, 07:17 AM
 
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Why would Christians need to donate to a cancer research fund?

Shouldn't they be able to pray it away for free?


Maybe science isn't so bad after all.
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Old 09-13-2011, 10:06 AM
 
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The FBB should donate to the cause of fighting cancer and forget about participating in the Relay for Life. Grow up and realize which is the more important cause.
Then every other "team" should also do the same, shouldn't they?
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