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Old 09-09-2011, 03:48 AM
 
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Old 09-09-2011, 05:49 AM
 
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The REAL "impact" of the "find" to 99.99999999% of the people on this planet---NONE what-so-ever!

What REAL significance could this have on anyone's life...except for the handful of people that might make a couple bucks off of it?

It's basically "trivia".

Info on what gas station in your town has the best price on "regular unleaded", the current attitude of your mother-in-law, or if the kids cleaned Kittycats' litter box, has more ACTUAL significance to your life.
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Old 09-09-2011, 05:57 AM
 
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The REAL "impact" of the "find" to 99.99999999% of the people on this planet---NONE what-so-ever!

What REAL significance could this have on anyone's life...except for the handful of people that might make a couple bucks off of it?

It's basically "trivia".

Info on what gas station in your town has the best price on "regular unleaded", the current attitude of your mother-in-law, or if the kids cleaned Kittycats' litter box, has more ACTUAL significance to your life.
It's impact on science, religion and philosophy. Not it's impact on the kitty litter box *face palm*
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Old 09-09-2011, 06:09 AM
 
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first off theres plenty of hoaxes people trying to make money especially in a bad economy,besides im tired of scientists trying to jump through hoops to disprove god they need to go jump off a bridge god is real and no amount of science will disprove that
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Old 09-09-2011, 06:44 AM
 
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first off theres plenty of hoaxes people trying to make money especially in a bad economy,besides im tired of scientists trying to jump through hoops to disprove god they need to go jump off a bridge god is real and no amount of science will disprove that

Does evolution disprove god? I think disproving god is the furthest thing from most scientists minds.
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Old 09-09-2011, 07:58 AM
 
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It's impact on science, religion and philosophy. Not it's impact on the kitty litter box *face palm*
Oh com'on, fb888...lighten up a little...you know I was just joking around.
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Old 09-09-2011, 09:00 AM
 
Location: Valencia, Spain
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....im tired of scientists trying to jump through hoops to disprove god ......
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Oh com'on, fb888...lighten up a little...you know I was just joking around.
One can only hope that jman is too!!
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Old 09-09-2011, 09:04 AM
 
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The REAL "impact" of the "find" to 99.99999999% of the people on this planet---NONE what-so-ever!

What REAL significance could this have on anyone's life...except for the handful of people that might make a couple bucks off of it?

It's basically "trivia".

Info on what gas station in your town has the best price on "regular unleaded", the current attitude of your mother-in-law, or if the kids cleaned Kittycats' litter box, has more ACTUAL significance to your life.
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first off theres plenty of hoaxes people trying to make money especially in a bad economy,besides im tired of scientists trying to jump through hoops to disprove god they need to go jump off a bridge god is real and no amount of science will disprove that

The sound of the creationists sticking their fingers in their ears, squeezing the eyes tight shut and wailing "does not.... does not.... does not....."

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Old 09-09-2011, 09:38 AM
 
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The "impact" will be pretty similar to other finds of other ancestors... and for the same reasons. To understand it one must know a little more about the scientific method. Apologies if I outline anything here people already know.

The media will likely call things like this the "missing link" which they keep doing. The issue is that there is no such thing as a "missing link" in Evolution. This is a creationist phrase.

The issue with the media hype is that there IS no “missing link”. There is no 5 step program to mapping out Human Evolution and we are just missing an example from one of the steps to show it is all true conclusively.

The scientific theory proposes something more like a rainbow. If you look closer at a rainbow there is not a sudden point where red stops and orange starts. Where Orange stops and yellow starts. There is a continuous spectrum of colours slowly ‘fading’ into each other without a point where one starts and another begins.

Our ancestral history is the same. A very slow fading from one species to the next to the next often giving us no way to say where “orange” stopped and “yellow” began. As one man put it before me:

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So many intermediate forms have been discovered between fish and amphibians, between amphibians and reptiles, between reptiles and mammals, and along the primate lines of descent that it often is difficult to identify categorically when the transition occurs from one to another particular species.
I have had meetings reported to me where almost fist fights broke out between scientists reviewing new specimens as they tried to decide if the new fossils were “Reptile like Mammals” or “Mammal like Reptiles”. This alone should give a good impression of just how many “Links” we have.

Unless we find one fossil of every generation of every animal who ever lived we will never have a complete picture and someone can always claim a “missing link” and people will be convinced by this “hole” in the theory. Frankly it is not a hole at all.

It is a media phrase only and means nothing. A scientific Theory is a proposed explanation that unites and explains facts and then makes predictions. The Theory must stand up to rigorous testing AND make predictions. What this fossil, "Ida", "Lucy" and other “missing links” in fact are, are examples of these predictions being borne out in reality. It is us saying “If this theory is right then we should expect, upon looking, to find fossils of animals that exhibit characteristics X, Y and Z”.

The best media example of this was the argument about the Whale evolving from a Land Mammal. In an effort to rubbish the theory Creationists started putting comical cartoons in papers at their own expense laughing about what “intermediates” would have to look like for the theory to be borne out. It was quite a silly looking walking whale creature.

The cartoons quickly stopped when “Ambulocetus” was found, literally meaning “The whale that walks” or “Walking whale” and looked in many ways very similar to the cartoon. Not content with this however, and using the first fossil as an indication of where to look, not one but multiple fossils were then found in the chain from land mammal to whale. They poured in now that we knew where to look. Pakicetus… Ambulocetus….Dalanistes…. Rodhocetus…. Takracetus… Gavioceluus…. Dorudon. (Forgive spelling or temporal errors here, that was from memory)…. So many in fact that we do not now have intermediate fossil forms, but intermediate fossil CATEGORIES on the road from one to the other.

The fossils were dated and lined up in temporal order based on the dating. They were not lined up out of convenience to match the theory. We did it in the age they appeared to be in our dating tests. The changes were THEN looked at to see if they matched. If three fossils dated in a row but we then saw something evolving "forwards" and then "backwards" again we know either our dating sucks or the theory is wrong. Did either happen? No. The steady migration of the dorsal blow hole, the steady and necessary changes in the middle ear, and more, all matched up perfectly. The predictions were borne out.

We also do this on a genetic level. We make predictions based on the theory that must be borne out if the theory is true. For example the human genetic structure has 1 less chromosome pair than the higher apes. Massive changes are not allowed in genetics as it would rubbish the theory. Evolution is a slow process requiring slow small changes. We could not lose an entire pair of chromosomes and survive. This is impossible. The likely hood of a !sudden! Development in a pair is also small. The theory therefore predicts that 2 pairs must have merged. No other explanation would work if we were to hold the theory of evolution to be true.

Guess what? It is human chromosome number 2. In fact our knowledge is now advancing so well we can pinpoint it to a precise fusion point of base pairs. The precise fusion site has been located in 2q13–2q14.1 (ref. 2; hg 16:114455823 – 114455838),

So to be short (a clear inability on my part admittedly as you can see above) there is no such thing as a “missing link” nor will we ever find one nor is "Ida" one, or "Lucy" or this fossil just found. What we have is a Theory that unites and explains all the facts we "currently" have to hand (without postulating facts we do not have such as an invisible creator) that has withstood constant and intense testing and has made and had borne out countless predictions.

None of this is 100% “proven” of course. However nothing in Science is. Do not believe anyone that tells you anything in science is 100% conclusively proven. Infallibility and total certainty we leave to a type of people of a completely different ilk.

"9:24 Lord, I believe; help thou my unbelief."
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Old 09-09-2011, 09:55 AM
 
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Besides, fossils are just one of the many different proofs. For example, there's also the entire field of genetics to inform us of the role and impact of DNA mutations.
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