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Old 09-12-2011, 08:48 PM
 
Location: OKC
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Being an atheist, I of course don't see much merit in what Mormons believe - but they are some of the nicest people I've known. Good neighbors, good peeps.

 
Old 09-12-2011, 08:50 PM
 
Location: Salt Lake City
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Most of those things I listed are not well-known to members. Katzpur doesn't even think they are the truth, so obviously she doesn't know them and know that they are absolutely, positively true.
Don't tell me what I know and what I don't know. You have no idea the extent of my research.

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That is expected as he is an active LDS person, so read it with that understanding in mine. He is biased, not objective.
And you're not? Everything he says is far more objective than anything you've said, and any legitimate scholar would agree with me. That doesn't mean they'd all conclude that Mormonism is "true," but they would definitely trust Bushman's work as an accurate, objective look at Joseph Smith's life, whereas you're just an disgrunted ex-Mo with an ax to grind. You're definitely entitled to your opinion of Joseph Smith, but when you try to present yourself as unbiased or objective, you fail miserably.

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So, know I did not know that the Book of Abraham was a fraud growing up, and when I found out, I felt betrayed, tricked, taken advantage of in an area of my life that was central to my identity. How dare Joseph do that?
A conclusion isn't the end, Hueff. It's just the place where you stopped thinking.
 
Old 09-12-2011, 08:59 PM
 
Location: Golden, CO
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I never said I was not biased. But, I DO tell the truth about these things and I am thorough as heck in my research. And I NEVER STOPPED THINKING!!!
 
Old 09-12-2011, 09:04 PM
 
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Okay, but I'm going to keep it brief because I don't want to see the entire thread go off on a tangent based on this one point.

"Native Americans being a lost tribe of Israel"

Two families plus one unrelated individual hardly constituted a "lost tribe of Israel." We believe that some two dozen or so people of Israelite heritage immigrated from the Old World to the New World. Their story, and the story of their descendants takes place over a period of about one thousand years. During that time, the people would have undoubtedly moved from place to place, particularly since they split into various factions and intermarried with the people who were already here when they arrived. That's why I said that the statement was a major oversimplification of what we actually believe and is therefore quite misleading.

A tangent, yes, but maybe the flow of it will be helpful to the O.P. in decision making.

A. Thanks for the in depth clarification.

B. You first stated the passage I posted was overly stated, but then went on to declare it false, which would be equally misleading since it was not. Just do not want to be errantly painted as a sloppy researcher.

C. Going forward remember to be kind to us folks who may stand up for religions we are not even a member of, bearing in mind a lifelong member will invariably be better informed in many cases....


Now back to MikeyKing's dillema of "To Mormon, Or Not To Mormon"


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Old 09-12-2011, 09:09 PM
 
Location: Sinking in the Great Salt Lake
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Now back to MikeyKing's dillema of "To Mormon, Or Not To Mormon"

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Ya know, there are a lot of other far less demanding churches around. "The adventure church" seems pretty popular around here for example; I guess you can go there in your sweaty REI duds after you're done camping Saturday night.

There is also the church of fine beverages, or Jeep church, or the Church of his most righteous kick-ass biker, Harley Davidson, or maybe the Cult of the Dragon, for D&D fans....
 
Old 09-12-2011, 09:14 PM
 
Location: Salt Lake City
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A. Thanks for the in depth clarification.
No problem.

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B. You first stated the passage I posted was overly stated, but then went on to declare it false, which would be equally misleading since it was not.
Well, I see it as false since (1) two families are clearly not an entire lost tribe and (2) many American Indians have absolutely no genetic links to this small group of people.

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Just do not want to be errantly painted as a sloppy researcher.
I apologize if that's what I did.

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C. Going forward remember to be kind to us folks who may stand up for religions we are not even a member of, bearing in mind a lifelong member will invariably be better informed in many cases....
Point taken. I obviously came across harsher than I intended.
 
Old 09-12-2011, 09:19 PM
 
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Ya know, there are a lot of other far less demanding churches around. "The adventure church" seems pretty popular around here for example; I guess you can go there in your sweaty REI duds after you're done camping Saturday night.

There is also the church of fine beverages, or Jeep church, or the Church of his most righteous kick-ass biker, Harley Davidson, or maybe the Cult of the Dragon, for D&D fans....


Unfortunatley from the input of the O.P. so far I suggest he join the "Church Of The Out Of Control Hormones"

Good for him I guess, at my age I think my homones are in their "Latter Days"....


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Old 09-12-2011, 09:25 PM
 
Location: Sinking in the Great Salt Lake
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Unfortunatley from the input of the O.P. so far I suggest he join the "Church Of The Out Of Control Hormones"

Good for him I guess, at my age I think my homones are in their "Latter Days"....


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Chin up, I don't think Viagra is a sin... yet.
 
Old 09-12-2011, 09:29 PM
 
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Chin up, I don't think Viagra is a sin... yet.

LOL...The equipment still functions (so far anyway) but the desire is waiting for the "rapture" or some other sort of revival.


And such is life...
 
Old 09-12-2011, 09:32 PM
 
Location: Sinking in the Great Salt Lake
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And just in case some hormone-crazed guys are wondering what it's like to be um..close with a Mormon girl...I have some experience with that. It's kinda like this:


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