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Old 09-12-2011, 06:00 PM
 
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It is claimed that he also controls nature but we all know how violent nature can be so why does a "loving god" use nature to bring about such deadly results even on his own devotees? Here's an example and a grand one at that (sad as it is):

Florida lifeguard killed by lightning strike in thunderstorm at water park

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Inversso was a devout Christian...."The young man is about preserving lives and preserving souls," his father, Frank Inversso told the Tampa Tribune. "If there is such a place as heaven, he's definitely welcome."
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Old 09-13-2011, 07:26 AM
 
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It is claimed that he also controls nature but we all know how violent nature can be so why does a "loving god" use nature to bring about such deadly results even on his own devotees? Here's an example and a grand one at that (sad as it is):

Florida lifeguard killed by lightning strike in thunderstorm at water park
Well, we can see half of it. 2,000 years of thinking up excuses means that you can say that he was allowed into heaven early as a special treat. If he's have lived to a ripe old age, then that would have been his reward, too. But if he's have been a prominent atheist then the early death would have been punishment.

If he's have been a devout Christian and had died after a long a painful disease then that would have all been somehow redounding the Glory of god in some vague way to mysterious for us to understand.

The important thing is to come up with any sort of excuse (the term is used advisedly) good or bad (well God is just testing all our faith), just so long as it cuts off that momentary doubt which is the only sin.
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Old 09-13-2011, 08:22 AM
 
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God is a concept
By which we measure our pain


--John Lennon
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Old 09-13-2011, 11:05 AM
 
Location: New York City
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Well, we can see half of it. 2,000 years of thinking up excuses means that you can say that he was allowed into heaven early as a special treat. If he's have lived to a ripe old age, then that would have been his reward, too. But if he's have been a prominent atheist then the early death would have been punishment.

If he's have been a devout Christian and had died after a long a painful disease then that would have all been somehow redounding the Glory of god in some vague way to mysterious for us to understand.

The important thing is to come up with any sort of excuse (the term is used advisedly) good or bad (well God is just testing all our faith), just so long as it cuts off that momentary doubt which is the only sin.
I guess so my friend. I guess so.
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Old 09-13-2011, 12:05 PM
 
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Bad things happen to good people. It's a fact.
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Old 09-13-2011, 06:24 PM
 
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Bad things happen to good people. It's a fact.
But how many are willing to say that "god" orchestrates such bad things?
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Old 09-13-2011, 08:05 PM
 
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But how many are willing to say that "god" orchestrates such bad things?
How is it possible to blame God for everything while refusing to acknowledge His existence?
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Old 09-13-2011, 11:17 PM
 
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It is claimed that he also controls nature but we all know how violent nature can be so why does a "loving god" use nature to bring about such deadly results even on his own devotees?
Because God (or love) doesn't play favourites.
Doesn't God (or nature) not let it rain on the just and unjust?
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Old 09-13-2011, 11:24 PM
 
Location: OKC
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How is it possible to blame God for everything while refusing to acknowledge His existence?
Demonstrating the internal inconsistency of a theory is not the same thing as believing the theory is true.

He was simply restating the famous argument:
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“Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing?
Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing?
Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing?
Then why call him God?”

Epicurus – Greek philosopher, BC 341-270
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Old 09-13-2011, 11:47 PM
 
Location: Logan Township, Minnesota
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But how many are willing to say that "god" orchestrates such bad things?
How do we define what is a "bad" thing? While God(swt) did create and orchistrated all things, "bad" and "good" seem to be human concepts based upon how it affects us. The only concept of "Good/bad" we need to be concerned about, is what we choose to do of our own free will. We have no control nor need it over that which we can not change. Good is when we choose to do good, bad is when we choose to do bad. God(swt) gives us the choices, the rest is up to us.
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