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Old 09-19-2011, 04:02 PM
 
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What I find interesting about Mithra and Christianity is the two stories almost are word for word. One also has to understand that during the time of Christ the Middle East was occupied by Rome. The Roman soldier mostly believed in Mithra and followed its teachings. To get the Romans to convert to Christianity the story of Jesus follows the Mithras storied almost word for word. this made it allot easier for the Roman soldier to accept Jesus.
Which explains why Christianity was so acceptable to the Pagan Romans when it became the state religion...it's wasn't any different than what they were already used to...they just gave it a new name.
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Old 09-19-2011, 04:17 PM
 
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the Christians see one side of Paul as being the true Paul. but, the non-christian world is more familiar with another version of Paul. to copy the myth of Mirtha seems to be very much typical of Paul.

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Saul (Roman cognomen was Paul), whose real name was probably Nethanel (Dositheus) was born to the wealthy Jewish Sarmatian High Priest line in exile of the Tribe of Menasheh (Manasseh) living in Tarsus in Cilicia (Turkey) -born a year after the birth of John the Baptist.
The ancestors of Saul included several infamous High Priests and claimed royal heritage to the Messiah line as a sub-branch of the House of Joseph.
As part of the Kingdom of Israel, the territory of Menasheh was conquered by the Great Assyrian King Solomon Šulmanu-ašarid V (727 -722 BCE) and many were killed, taken as slaves or exiled.
For the rest of the story: SOURCE

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Old 09-19-2011, 04:42 PM
 
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There is strong reason to believe that Saint Paul fabricated the belief system of Christianity from the Zoroastrian mythology. In order to hide Paul's plagiarism . . . the Christians burned the library of Alexandria in 390 A.D. Books in that library kept Mithra's original story of which the Pauline Doctrine is an almost exact carbon copy. (George Sarton - Introduction to the History of Science) <<

>> No honest Christian scholar can deny that Saint Paul forged the belief system of Christianity from the four thousand year old Persian legend of Mithra. In order to hide Paul's plagiarism, the Church burned the library of Alexandria in 389 since that library preserved Mithra's original legend of which the Pauline doctrine is a carbon copy. (Kersey Graves - Christianity Before Christ) <<
The Mithra myth is only one of many such myths that use the same spiritual template for the acceptance of a God-Man. The significant point to note is that many early myths and legends involve the birth, adventures, death, and resurrection of a young man representing the sun, life or light. Rather than credit spurious conspiracy theories and plagiarism claims, we should seek the significance of this phenomenon. It may not have much left-brain, logical or historical significance, but it absolutely resounds with right-brain, intuitive significance! The recurrence of the theme is indication to me that a consistent "spiritual template" for the evolution of our spiritual understanding is coded into our DNA.

Mithra was born of a virgin in the presence of only a few shepherds. Gerald Berry points out the actual similarities,

. . . Since Mithra was a sun-god, Sunday was automatically sacred to him - the "Lord's Day" - Long before Christ. On December 25th, just after the winter solstice, there were elaborate rituals and celebrations. Bells were rung, hymns were sung, candles lit, gifts given, sacraments of bread and water administered to the initiate. Between December 25th and the spring equinox (Easter, from Eastra, the Latin form of Astarte) come the mystical forty days' search for Osiris . . . which was later the origin for Christian Lent. On Black Friday (c.f. Good Friday) the taurobolium, or bull-slaying was represented. (figuratively conquering our animal nature) . . . Mithra, worn out by the battle, was symbolically represented by a stone image lain on a bier as a corpse. He was mourned for in liturgy, and placed in a sacred rock tomb called 'Petra,' from which he was removed after three days in a great festival of rejoicing.

. . . Both Mithra and Christ were described variously as 'The Way,' 'The Truth,' 'The Life,' 'The Word,' 'The Son of God,' 'The Good Shepherd.' The Christian litany to Jesus could easily be an allegorical litany to the sun-god. Mithra is often represented as carrying a lamb on his shoulders, just as Jesus is. Midnight services were found in both religions. The virgin mother Isis was easily merged with the virgin mother Mary. Petra, the sacred rock of Mithraism, became Peter, the foundation of the Christian Church. (c.f. the New Testament, Matt 16:18 'Thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church.') The robe of Mithra, absorbed from the older Osiris cult, was always described as in one piece representing universal light, and may be the source for the seamless robe of Christ worn at the Crucifixion.

It is clear that the earlier Mithra myth is at a more primitive level of symbolism - what we call a more concrete level of cognition - whereas the Jesus version is at a more evolved and abstract level of cognition. Given the commonality of the many earlier more primitive legends, as well as, the absence of any further more evolved versions (combined with Jesus' incredibly accurate fulfillment of prophesies even to this day), Christ as the fulfillment of the spiritual template seems to be supported well beyond mere validity.
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Old 09-20-2011, 08:18 AM
 
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It's amazing what one will find...if one takes the time to critically examine the belief system that has been handed down through the centuries and its origins. This is why it is so utterly important to allow the spirit WITHIN to guide one into ALL truth...and not a man made book.
Yes, Christy, you are right. I never had the courage to even look into this years ago.
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Old 09-20-2011, 08:29 AM
 
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The Mithra myth is only one of many such myths that use the same spiritual template for the acceptance of a God-Man. The significant point to note is that many early myths and legends involve the birth, adventures, death, and resurrection of a young man representing the sun, life or light. Rather than credit spurious conspiracy theories and plagiarism claims, we should seek the significance of this phenomenon. It may not have much left-brain, logical or historical significance, but it absolutely resounds with right-brain, intuitive significance! The recurrence of the theme is indication to me that a consistent "spiritual template" for the evolution of our spiritual understanding is coded into our DNA.

Mithra was born of a virgin in the presence of only a few shepherds. Gerald Berry points out the actual similarities,

. . . Since Mithra was a sun-god, Sunday was automatically sacred to him - the "Lord's Day" - Long before Christ. On December 25th, just after the winter solstice, there were elaborate rituals and celebrations. Bells were rung, hymns were sung, candles lit, gifts given, sacraments of bread and water administered to the initiate. Between December 25th and the spring equinox (Easter, from Eastra, the Latin form of Astarte) come the mystical forty days' search for Osiris . . . which was later the origin for Christian Lent. On Black Friday (c.f. Good Friday) the taurobolium, or bull-slaying was represented. (figuratively conquering our animal nature) . . . Mithra, worn out by the battle, was symbolically represented by a stone image lain on a bier as a corpse. He was mourned for in liturgy, and placed in a sacred rock tomb called 'Petra,' from which he was removed after three days in a great festival of rejoicing.

. . . Both Mithra and Christ were described variously as 'The Way,' 'The Truth,' 'The Life,' 'The Word,' 'The Son of God,' 'The Good Shepherd.' The Christian litany to Jesus could easily be an allegorical litany to the sun-god. Mithra is often represented as carrying a lamb on his shoulders, just as Jesus is. Midnight services were found in both religions. The virgin mother Isis was easily merged with the virgin mother Mary. Petra, the sacred rock of Mithraism, became Peter, the foundation of the Christian Church. (c.f. the New Testament, Matt 16:18 'Thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church.') The robe of Mithra, absorbed from the older Osiris cult, was always described as in one piece representing universal light, and may be the source for the seamless robe of Christ worn at the Crucifixion.

It is clear that the earlier Mithra myth is at a more primitive level of symbolism - what we call a more concrete level of cognition - whereas the Jesus version is at a more evolved and abstract level of cognition. Given the commonality of the many earlier more primitive legends, as well as, the absence of any further more evolved versions (combined with Jesus' incredibly accurate fulfillment of prophesies even to this day), Christ as the fulfillment of the spiritual template seems to be supported well beyond mere validity.
It could be in our DNA...that is an interesting theory. It could be a pattern for spiriutal salvation handed down, similar to how the Emerald Formula was known to the alchemists. Jesus' version may in fact be more evolved..though as I posted elsewhere, the racial comment, calling Gentiles "dogs" is quite disturbing.

I can see now that the Gospel of John may have been patterned after this Mithra also (re: "the way, the truth, and the life"). It is also interesting to note that John was written way after the other three gospels, and contradicts the other three on certain matters. Acts and John appear to have been written around the same time as well. The other 3 gospels were most likely written 30-40 years earlier.
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Old 09-20-2011, 08:35 AM
 
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What I find interesting about Mithra and Christianity is the two stories almost are word for word. One also has to understand that during the time of Christ the Middle East was occupied by Rome. The Roman soldier mostly believed in Mithra and followed its teachings. To get the Romans to convert to Christianity the story of Jesus follows the Mithras storied almost word for word. this made it allot easier for the Roman soldier to accept Jesus.
Very fascinating!
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Old 09-20-2011, 08:58 AM
 
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It could be in our DNA...that is an interesting theory. It could be a pattern for spiriutal salvation handed down, similar to how the Emerald Formula was known to the alchemists. Jesus' version may in fact be more evolved..though as I posted elsewhere, the racial comment, calling Gentiles "dogs" is quite disturbing.

I can see now that the Gospel of John may have been patterned after this Mithra also (re: "the way, the truth, and the life"). It is also interesting to note that John was written way after the other three gospels, and contradicts the other three on certain matters. Acts and John appear to have been written around the same time as well. The other 3 gospels were most likely written 30-40 years earlier.
Given that the bible had been severly edited by the political powers of that time and given the religious climate of that time towards the Jews, who were losing their religious power over the people they once had...do you honestly believe Jesus actually said that????
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Old 09-20-2011, 09:52 AM
 
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Given that the bible had been severly edited by the political powers of that time and given the religious climate of that time towards the Jews, who were losing their religious power over the people they once had...do you honestly believe Jesus actually said that????
Peace Christy Girl,

Sadly the NT is not the teachings of Jesus(as) What became the NT is a political commentary in support of Greco/Roman mythology. Reverse engineering to support Greece and Rome.

It does appear to have first been orchestrated by Paul. Paul knew he could not fool the Jews so he concentrated on the Gentiles and in doing so destroyed Jewish rule. The Gentiles lapped up Paul as it was in agreement with their Pagan beliefs. The true followers of Jesus(as) such as the Ebionites were cast out as being Gnostic and Heretical.
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Old 09-20-2011, 10:08 AM
 
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Peace Christy Girl,

Sadly the NT is not the teachings of Jesus(as) What became the NT is a political commentary in support of Greco/Roman mythology. Reverse engineering to support Greece and Rome.

It does appear to have first been orchestrated by Paul. Paul knew he could not fool the Jews so he concentrated on the Gentiles and in doing so destroyed Jewish rule. The Gentiles lapped up Paul as it was in agreement with their Pagan beliefs. The true followers of Jesus(as) such as the Ebionites were cast out as being Gnostic and Heretical.
Very true...but their teaching about raising our consciousness (the true teachings of Jesus) are making a comeback.
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Old 09-20-2011, 10:40 AM
 
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Very true...but their teaching about raising our consciousness (the true teachings of Jesus) are making a comeback.
My attempt at proselytizing.


That is the very reason we believe Allaah(swt) sent the Qur'an to Muhammad(PBUH). We believe the Qur'an is the same message Jesus(as) taught as the Injil.

But, no matter what I say, I do pray you search and satisfy yourself you find/have found the true teachings of Jesus(as).

We both can agree the teachings of Jesus(as) are not to be found in the NT.
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