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Old 10-13-2011, 06:49 AM
 
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Where are you guys ?
HELOOO ...
Waiting for you to answer my question in http://www.city-data.com/forum/21172616-post99.html
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Old 10-13-2011, 06:51 AM
 
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There are a lot of people who find God through education & Science so !!
Evidence for this claim?
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Old 10-13-2011, 07:36 AM
 
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rifleman & Boxcar Overkill ....
Excellent, so the theory does not deny the existence of God & does not tell us how the universe began ...
We have an agreement here ...
I will continue on Saturday .... promise ( Don't have much time today) .

Just one more thing :

This is not conclusive and does not demonstrate anything ...
There are a lot of people who find God through education & Science so !!
Correct. Nor does the Theory of Evolution deny the existence Quetzalcoatl, leprechauns or faster-than-light travel.
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Old 10-13-2011, 09:23 AM
 
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I will continue on Saturday .... promise
Thanks for the warning.
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Old 10-13-2011, 09:50 AM
 
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Evolution should have been thrown out as a viable theory over 50 years ago. It turns out the "simple" cell isn't simple at all consisting of thousands of symbiotic interdependent relationships characterized by irreducible complexity which is what we observe.

It takes less faith to believe that there was a designer and he created it all in 6 literal days.

Anyone interested in actually learning about this not simply participating in circular debates read the following book.



I also recommend checking out Dr. Chuck Missler's commentary on the Genesis creation account. It's easily found on youtube.

The evolution religion is just that. It's a well propagated religion that is well funded by humanists agnostics in high places of government and education. It looks to be their desperate attempt to escape accountability for what they do in this life to a creator so they can justify themselves proclaiming themselves to be wise.

God holds us all accountable due to simply the creation. The creation implies a creator, and our #1 priority in life should be to find out who this is and what is expected of us.

Romans 1

"18For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;

19Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.

20For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

21Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.

22Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,

23And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.

24Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:

25Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

26For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:

27And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

28And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;

29Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,

30Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,

31Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:

32Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them."


Just as neither this computer or a car can build themselves by the parts inside them, neither could this universe. Anything engineered requires an engineer. This is all logical thinking.

We are all held accountable by the creation itself. All evidence points to a designer. The Genesis account fits in perfectly with what we observe in science.

Evolution is built on faulty assumptions that contradict what we observe. The imagination takes over and someone pays to keep the faulty assumptions going. Dating methods are highly based on assumptions of various kinds. So thus millions have been indoctrinated into this religion that is hindering scientific advancement and destroying lives across the globe.

Science is good and helps us understand our existence. Faulty interpretations of science propagandizing it as infallible fact shutting down the opposing viewpoint isn't. There are plenty of scientists that have lost their positions at universities for holding a creation view going against the mainstream evolution religious establishment funding this.

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Old 10-13-2011, 10:02 AM
 
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Flat I tell you! The world is flat!
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Old 10-13-2011, 10:03 AM
 
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It turns out the "simple" cell isn't simple at all consisting of thousands of symbiotic interdependent relationships characterized by irreducible complexity which is what we observe.
Give a precise definition of this term.
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Anyone interested in actually learning about this not simply participating in circular debates read the following book.
So who are the 50 scientists in question and what are their qualifications? Any biologist?
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The evolution religion is just that. It's a well propagated religion that is well funded by humanists agnostics in high places of government and education.
Define religion.

Also, are you aware that many scientists in biology, cosmology and related fields are believers? How do you explain this?
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The creation implies a creator [...]

Anything engineered requires an engineer.
By definition. But you haven't established that the universe is a creation, or something engineered. You're just playing a word game here.
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Old 10-13-2011, 10:28 AM
 
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Give a precise definition of this term.
So who are the 50 scientists in question and what are their qualifications? Any biologist?
Define religion.

Also, are you aware that many scientists in biology, cosmology and related fields are believers? How do you explain this?
By definition. But you haven't established that the universe is a creation, or something engineered. You're just playing a word game here.
It's called a circular debate. No need to chase the evolution evangelists in circles on the forums here.

Spontaneous Abiogenesis = not observed
Light = requires intelligence to redirect it use it for anabolic (building up) reactions... observed > Photosynthesis. UV radiation destroys not builds without source of intelligence (aka Chlorophyll <not a "simple" compound by any stretch of the imagination)
Evolution of millions of known symbiotic relationships necessary for life = speculated
mutations = most mutations are detrimental not beneficial
Natural selection = Selects from an already existing gene pool not evolving into new one.

We could talk about the origin of elements past Iron. The rotating of moons in opposite directions (defies angular momentum in "Big Bang" accident. The laws of thermodynamics. The faulty assumptions in dating methods. Evidence for a flood. Evidence of Dinosaurs living with Humans. The info is there for anyone to look. This could really go on for quite a while.

People looking for a debate generally are interested in debate not truth. look for truth not debate. Winning a debate means nothing. Winning the truth means everything.
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Old 10-13-2011, 10:53 AM
 
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It's called a circular debate. No need to chase the evolution evangelists in circles on the forums here.

Spontaneous Abiogenesis = not observed
Light = requires intelligence to redirect it use it for anabolic (building up) reactions... observed > Photosynthesis. UV radiation destroys not builds without source of intelligence (aka Chlorophyll <not a "simple" compound by any stretch of the imagination)
Evolution of millions of known symbiotic relationships necessary for life = speculated
mutations = most mutations are detrimental not beneficial
Natural selection = Selects from an already existing gene pool not evolving into new one.

We could talk about the origin of elements past Iron. The rotating of moons in opposite directions (defies angular momentum in "Big Bang" accident. The laws of thermodynamics. The faulty assumptions in dating methods. Evidence for a flood. Evidence of Dinosaurs living with Humans. The info is there for anyone to look. This could really go on for quite a while.

People looking for a debate generally are interested in debate not truth. look for truth not debate. Winning a debate means nothing. Winning the truth means everything.
I'm pretty sure you don't understand what evolution is, and that's why you fight so hard to disprove it, using evidence that is unrelated to it.
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Old 10-13-2011, 10:57 AM
 
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Evolution should have been thrown out as a viable theory over 50 years ago. It turns out the "simple" cell isn't simple at all consisting of thousands of symbiotic interdependent relationships characterized by irreducible complexity which is what we observe.
Looks like someone has swallowed the Argument From Ignorance, dressed up by Behe in a scientific guise, hook-line-and-sinker.

or, more simply:

"I just can't believe that bacterial flagellum could have evolved (actually, I'm a scientific illiterate, but it just sounds so good the way that smart scientist guy writes in and I really, really, really want to believe him!), therefore the deity described by my favorite dirt-ignorant band of ancient desert-dwellers must be true!"
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