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Old 10-23-2011, 09:33 AM
 
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Originally Posted by squall-lionheart View Post
When you explane to me how random chance and accidents can make a accurate mechanism system I will answer your question .


Are you joking around? That explanation is called the theory of evolution. I'd recommend Richard Dawkins' book The Blind Watchmaker if you want to learn what evolution is, how it works, what the evidence is, etc. Great book.

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How did unconscious cell produce that huge amount of consciousness ?
A paper by Nobel laureate John Eccles on the subject which you may find interesting: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/arti...01090-0042.pdf

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Old 10-23-2011, 12:05 PM
 
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Are you joking around? That explanation is called the theory of evolution. I'd recommend Richard Dawkins' book The Blind Watchmaker if you want to learn what evolution is, how it works, what the evidence is, etc. Great book.
Ahaa ..
I see ..
Again what are those two words our friends atheist always bragging about ?
sense & logic !!! right
So acording to your sense & logic accidents can make a accurate mechanism system ?
Just to make sure could you give me one more example other than theory of evolution to see how accidents can make a accurate system please?
Or is it just exclusive for that thory ?
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A paper by Nobel laureate John Eccles on the subject which you may find interesting: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/arti...01090-0042.pdf
Another example of sense & logic ...
unconscious can produce consciousness ...
Thank you ...

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Old 10-23-2011, 01:54 PM
 
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Are you joking around?
I'm dying to know what a "accurate mechanism system" is, or an inaccurate one for that matter.
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Old 10-23-2011, 06:39 PM
 
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Ahaa ..
I see ..
Again what are those two words our friends atheist always bragging about ?
sense & logic !!! right
So acording to your sense & logic accidents can make a accurate mechanism system ?
Just to make sure could you give me one more example other than theory of evolution to see how accidents can make a accurate system please?
Or is it just exclusive for that thory ?
The process is not random or accidental. As I said, read about a subject before commenting on it to avoid looking foolish.
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Old 10-24-2011, 05:38 AM
 
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Squall-L is obviously working from the assumption that everything is too ordered and perfect to be anything other than planned by an intelligence.

Even that would not avoid the argument that, given time, unplanned natural processes (called 'random or chance') could come to work in perfect order because anything else would simply not work.

Let's try to get the idea over one more time. As a very simple example,

(1) a rock gets weathered, cracks, becomes unstable and crashed down in an avalanche. It all works in a perfect ordered way. Well of course it does. But nobody planned it.

(2) rocks on a beach become pebbles, then grit, then sand through being thrown up and worn down over aeons. They are all there all pretty much the same size and looking pretty shiny too. But it would be daft to say that somebody must have made it that way.

(3) we get a tomato that grows near to two stems or two mushroom spores grow close together. The Tomato grows on each side of the stems and you have to do some cutting to extract it. the two mushrooms will blend into a composite. That all happens through natural known processes and like crystal -snowflake or tree formation, there is no reason to suppose that any mind is doing it.

While the ecosphere, galaxy and universe are obviously huge, that is merely these (1) (2) and (3) processes in huge amounts. Bigness and complexity are not the point. Arguing that it is all perfect and ordered and works like a mechanical device is a misapprehension and misunderstanding of what the world, life and universe is and the forces that work it.

Thus all 'Watchmaker' arguments are false from the get - go because the representation of it all as a perfectly made precision machine is a misunderstanding of what we have.

Now as I have said before, I don't believe this will make an impression. That's not the point. Squall - L can believe whatever suits. All I am saying is that it's a waste of time putting the watchmaker argument to us because we know it's wrong at the start.

It's not a waste of time putting in the counter - argument, though, since not to do so might leave the unwary open to being bamboozled.
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Old 10-24-2011, 05:43 AM
 
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read about a subject before commenting on it to avoid looking foolish.
Not advice he is likely to ever take. Reading before commenting is not one of his skills given this is the user who has a "knowledge" of science so deep that he claims on these forums that if the earth was moved a centemetre closer to, or further from, the sun then everything would burn up / freeze.

The user likes to post on science threads and claim to know what science is false and what is true. However he literally has no knowledge of any of the subjects on which he speaks. He simply makes up whatever science he can to make the existence of his god sound more likely. It seems those with no evidence for god are often willing to outright lie in order to make some up.
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Old 10-24-2011, 07:32 AM
 
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See what ?!!!
There's no point in explaining it to you since you're not ready to understand yet. But I think everyone else can see the results of your training here and how poorly it reflects on your religion.


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So please do not try to portray it as if all scientists are atheists ...
Where have I done this? If you can't tell the truth to me about what I've said, why should I believe you about anything else?

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Piltdown man: Found in a gravel pit in Sussex England in 1912, this fossil was considered by some sources to be the second most important fossil proving the evolution of manóuntil it was found to be a complete forgery 41 years later.
Yes, we've been over this specific example. Scientists were initially skeptical and became more so as more and more legitimate hominid fossils were found. So what?

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There are no such thing as Islam religions fraud !!!
No, of course not. Every Muslim is perfectly honest all the time. That makes complete sense and must be true...
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Old 10-24-2011, 07:33 AM
 
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When you explane to me how random chance and accidents can make a accurate mechanism system I will answer your question .
Why should anyone be asked to explain something no one believes is true?
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Old 10-24-2011, 08:17 AM
 
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Not advice he is likely to ever take. Reading before commenting is not one of his skills given this is the user who has a "knowledge" of science so deep that he claims on these forums that if the earth was moved a centemetre closer to, or further from, the sun then everything would burn up / freeze.
Yes .. that was a mistake & I have already admit it ...

The error was in the word "centimeter" but the idea is/was true .
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The user likes to post on science threads and claim to know what science is false and what is true.
I only express my humble opinion ...
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However he literally has no knowledge of any of the subjects on which he speaks.
I am a fast learner ... probably more than you can imagine ...
I've learned a lot since I started here .
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He simply makes up whatever science he can to make the existence of his god sound more likely. It seems those with no evidence for god are often willing to outright lie in order to make some up.
You forget to added :
"it's only Nozzferrahhtoo opinion"

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Old 10-24-2011, 08:20 AM
 
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There is a difference between "opinion" and "fantasy". Your knowledge on science has consistently proven to be the latter, not the former. You simply make up facts to suit yourself and when you are caught you call them "errors" and "opinions".

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Yes .. that was a mistake & I have already admit it ...
Actually you did no such thing. When your "mistake" (lie) was pointed out you did not "admit it" but in fact started making things up about me to try and change the subject. You would do anything EXCEPT admit it in fact. You just made up more lies and started saying people need to go to the "nerve and brain doctor".

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