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Old 10-30-2011, 04:59 AM
 
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All you are presenting is just the 'hole fitting the water' arguement.
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Old 10-30-2011, 05:10 AM
 
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All you are presenting is just the 'hole fitting the water' arguement.
Suit your self ...
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Old 10-31-2011, 08:15 AM
 
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Try to imagine how Organisms began just like the theory of evolution tell us !!!
Try to reach the maximum limit of your imagination & simply tell us how you imagine this thing ?
I will give you a hint :
Millions of various miscellaneous species developed from a single cell .. ,During that please don't forget to tell us how & why it distinguish male from female & why our survival link to something with pleasure & why females usually more prettier than males ?
How to distinguish between things that happened by coincidence or happened by intelligent choice !!!
I swear to Allah I do not mean to play around here but I really can not imagine this even in my wildest imagination !!!
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Old 10-31-2011, 09:01 AM
 
Location: Richardson, TX
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Arguments of incredulity don't carry much weight.
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Old 10-31-2011, 09:05 AM
 
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Arguments of incredulity don't carry much weight.
They don't even deserve the label argument...
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Old 10-31-2011, 09:18 AM
 
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I suppose one needs an intelligent mind to understand evolution...
Some day we may well evolve beyond the belief in the absurdities of superstition, that is if these superstitions don't end our species all together.
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Old 10-31-2011, 12:37 PM
 
Location: Somewhere out there
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Default Wow! Logic Flies (out the window) Again!

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I am just beaing logical here !!!

That is why perfect order does not come from 'random or chance' ...
Just like you said : it would simply not work.

Place a cell in a suitable environment for a billion year and see if it can configure various organisms like we have seen all over us today !!

Believe me, I tried to understand how chance and random incidents can create a perfect ordered mechanical device but I failed.***

Everything on earth was created to serve us & ensures our existence .

Rain , rivers, groundwater, wells, metals, sunlight, wood, fire , Animals , Plants ... etc ..

All those things were put to serve us .
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All you are presenting is just the 'hole fitting the water' arguement.
You betcha, o_c! And even more incredibly, he accepts that one without batting even a single brain cell!

1) Your total intellectual failure to comprhend this does little to convince the rest of us, squall.

The arrival of what you determine to be "perfection" is nothing but the accumulated end-effects of literally trillions upon trillions of trial and error tests, coupled with the relentless elimination of the unfit, the less-than-perfect, when tested in real-life competition against an organism that is, by chance, better suited. This is so easily understood that seriously, I'm actually wondering if you are perhaps missing some critical neuronal complexes, or perhaps you are malnourished? Want a V-8 drink perhaps?

It's all those mutations you seemingly can't get your unscientific, non-statistically oriented head around; you just assume one or two or five biochemical/genetic trial/test "balloons" maximum, over a few months, not even years, acting alone in a single litre of cold chemical-free sea water out there amongst the uncountable Bah-qin-tribbilion litres of same.

Whereas, in reality, yeah; it is exactly that, but it's also times the same number of litres of nice luke-warm sea water, times the uncountable numbers of bio-active molecules all trying to get along and to form into unusual combinations, times the number of seconds per day, month and year, times 13 billion of those years...

But then you willingly throw up your arms and proclaim: "How could all this work out so well? It's totally incomprehensible to me that it could possibly account for a good outcome absent some designer personality!!"

Really?

Well, maybe to the highly limited mindset, one that does not want to accept the obvious, it's unattainable, but not to us who can and have thought it out. It's the obvious outcome, frankly, and it's equally obvious as to exactly how there's so many different versions of life. Why? Because there's a whole lot of different niches to be filled is why! (BTW, please... just this once, squall, look up "niches", please, before we meet like this again.)

It all divergent and convergent and sympathetic co-evolution, and of simultaneous evolution pathways from long-ago different origins, but faced with similar conditions in vastly separated locations, in which to test and grow, and vastly different environments to test out in. The result will be organisms with similar functionalities and acheivements, proof again of how Evolution works.

The whole thing about we here on God's earth being "placed" by Him at the perfect distance from the sun, with just the right amount of solar radiation & sunlight, and at the "correct" temperature range (Q: what about conditions as variable as The South Pole's extreme temps and conditions versus the hot, humid Amazonian jungle? Huh? Both evolved suitably adapted life), The resultant humidity and all the other factors all pale into oblivion when you realize that, in fact, we evolved to fit the extant conditions, not the other way around.

Sheesh; you are daft, man. Daft! The limits you've placed on your own self-education are stunning, and yet "telling".
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Old 10-31-2011, 02:34 PM
 
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This thread seems appropriate enough, especially how slow it is going. This is an excellent lecture on evolution - Big Bang to Broadway - How things evolve.

ABRC - Community Lecture Series
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Old 10-31-2011, 06:01 PM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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Our origins are slowly being uncovered, thanks to DNA science.

Genes inherited from long-extinct human ancestors may be more common than thought, suggesting a Homo sapiens origin story with more than a few evolutionary one-night stands.

The latest findings involve genes from Denisovans, a recently discovered member of the Homo genus who lived in central and eastern Asia until 40,000 years ago. Denisovans, humans and neanderthals last shared a common ancestor about 1 million years ago. Genes of extinct ancestor survive in modern humans
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Old 10-31-2011, 06:20 PM
 
Location: The western periphery of Terra Australis
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I'm not a total believer in Evolution. I think science hasn't worked out anything 100% yet, we're still learning about the process of Life. Yet I favour a kind of Theistic evolution. I totally reject the idea of a blind universe where evolution is a result of randomly beneficial mutations creating new species ad infinitum. The guiding hand of the Creator, either through the system he put into place or through his sustaining influence, is what keeps it all on track. There is ultimate purpose to it all, not just a seemingly purposeless cycle of complexification and simplification.
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